Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.

If aggro is not a problem, it's not worth the STR on Paladin. A little more enmity is not better then more HP on PLDS. Thus only a slight increase in damage and total block percentage is all PLDS are going to get from STR. Thus it's better to see a PLD in full VIT gear.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

If aggro is not a problem, it's not worth the STR on Paladin. A little more enmity is not better then more HP on PLDS. Thus only a slight increase in damage and total block percentage is all PLDS are going to get from STR. Thus it's better to see a PLD in full VIT gear.

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Block percentage is only determined by the block ratings on your shields. Strength no longer affects Block or Parry strength. The DPS difference between a VIT PLD and a STR PLD is a lot more considering also that the increased aggro strength means more uptime on Sword Oath and Royal Authority on top of the 25/26/27% or so DPS gain from the stats alone.

Which is better is currently being debated on for one reason or another. Everyone has to contribute to the Primary goal of the fight and that is Kill X enemy.

But a general rule of thumb for which is more of a total DPS gain is:

For short trash packs with breaks (Dungeon Trash): Healer DPS (Which is what full Vit accommodates) > Tank DPS
For boss fights and pretty much anything else (A2S included surprisingly): Tank DPS > Healer DPS

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

If aggro is not a problem, it's not worth the STR on Paladin. A little more enmity is not better then more HP on PLDS. Thus only a slight increase in damage and total block percentage is all PLDS are going to get from STR. Thus it's better to see a PLD in full VIT gear.

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In a world where every single digit of dps you can bring matters (i.e., savage), STR on any tank is worth it. At least as many as your healers can handle while still dpsing.

On a regular trash gameplay (dungeons and such while overgeared), you could go full mind for better cures and still do it.

Perspective from a static-less healer that is at the mercy of PUG DF tanks for daily roulettes/weekly Alex:

- I can heal and DPS with STR or VIT tanks.
- A good DPS will hold back if they feel the tank is not generating enough enmity.
- Tank vs DPS stance matters more than gear stats.
- Defense CD usage makes the biggest difference in healing needs.
- Skill rotation makes the biggest difference in enmity management.

A friend of mine asked another to parse him. Despite friend A having slightly better gear, friend B consistently showed ~100 DPS more, both on dummies and in DF. Friend A had a poor warrior rotation.

HM roulette last night, loaded in to WP NM with a tank that had 120 gear but an i49 weapon. My friend cringed and told me to watch out, but then we were both shocked that he never once lost aggro, either to my heals or the DPS.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

In a world where every single digit of dps you can bring matters (i.e., savage), STR on any tank is worth it. At least as many as your healers can handle while still dpsing.

On a regular trash gameplay (dungeons and such while overgeared), you could go full mind for better cures and still do it.

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Have your tanks roll need on STR accessories then. Lol

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Block percentage is only determined by the block ratings on your shields.

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Also block % in damage, not rate Wings.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Have your tanks roll need on STR accessories then. Lol

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You don't need to roll for Law or Alex NM accessories. Alex Savage will be done with a static and everyone will agree that tanks get STR drops after the melee DPS, plus they can be bought with books. Crafted accessories are also bought with gil, not rolled on.

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Originally Posted by Launched

You don't need to roll for Law or Alex NM accessories. Alex Savage will be done with a static and everyone will agree that tanks get STR drops after the melee DPS, plus they can be bought with books. Crafted accessories are also bought with gil, not rolled on.

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I was implying that the system is not yet set for tanks to roll need on drops, regardless if the static permits a greed roll on it. Maybe the devs in the future will make tank accessories with STR to silence these petty arguments and pointless threads.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

But we as Paladins don't benifit from HP recovery with aoe attacks based on STR cleaves.

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^ completely agree with this. STR is more valuable for a WAR than a PLD.

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We do better having more HP in our pool. Having more STR to block more damage is nice, but it's not as consistent as having more HP overall (on PLD.)

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This is where i think we, along with other players participating in these discussions, will disagree with each other.

The healer needs to dedicate a similar amount of time and potency to healing you, regardless of whether you take STR or VIT (minor exceptions here and there of course, like benediction)

VIT makes a difference if:
1) your HP ends up dropping low enough to use the extra HP, and
2) if in that situation, dieing would have cost more time than taking STR would have saved.

STR is beneficial in an encounter, unless dieing causes delays greater than the time savings.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Also block % in damage, not rate Wings.

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How many times do you need to be told before you'll understand? STR no longer changes anything when it comes to block or parry. They completely removed the benefit that STR gave to both block and parry mitigation when they released Heavensward.

Also, there's no reason why a PLD shouldn't swap to full (or at the very least, some) STR gear for bosses. Even a crappy healer should be able to keep up a Sword Oath PLD using STR stuff if the PLD is rotating CDs properly so why gimp your contribution to the group?

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

How many times do you need to be told before you'll understand? STR no longer changes anything when it comes to block or parry. They completely removed the benefit that STR gave to both block and parry mitigation when they released Heavensward.

Also, there's no reason why a PLD shouldn't swap to full (or at the very least, some) STR gear for bosses. Even a crappy healer should be able to keep up a Sword Oath PLD using STR stuff if the PLD is rotating CDs properly so why gimp your contribution to the group?

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I honestly don't understand why people continue trying to have a rational discussion with that poster. They've made it clear they have no interest in such things.