Gratulation to Elysium but disappointed of Lucrezia

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

It is. Who can say that they'll go for a "legit" (read here, doing all mechanics as they were intended to be done) run when there is an easier, cheesy way acknowledged by the devs as legit ? And even if you do, what of your group ? Will they want to go for the longer, harder option, or try the easiest one, and eventually trying a go on the hardest once they're way better geared ?

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Does it matter, though?

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

lucrecia had more group dps than elysium (they killed it like 10-20 sec earlier) and spent less days in a4s than elysium

I would declare them to the winnerteam :s


btw, elysium did the same with the 3rd set of balls, so do you want to declare them to "cheaters" too?

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Yes clearly the "winning team" is the one that took longer to clear...

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

not really. It's just a pity that just like T2 enrage was the norm, cheesing AS4 will become the expected way to do it. Those like me who would like to do it at least once "as intended" will probably never be able to do it because that cheese was found.

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This is why I said back when the T2 thing was made public that the devs should at the least patch the encounter. The precedent set would thus be "if something not intended is happening with encounters, we're going to fix it and not give you avenues with which to mess with our design". Instead they turn a blind eye to it, which is cause for concern on several levels.

The only point that makes me laugh is that all these "top raiders" were so pissed off because other players (not on "their" level) were cheesing T2 with enrage and guess what....as soon as a fight it is too hard for them...oh let's try and cheese it and not do it right. These players were outcrying for SE to fix these fights so that players could not do it...now what?? Should it be changed...who cares...it is all just funny to me.

If they fix A4S, they should fix T2, T5 and T6, then. Avoid divebombs during T5 fight without the corners tricks should be funny. I think 90% of the players would be stuck at T5 without it, pre-echoed.

Glad SE doesn't fix any of this. It's nice to see players build their own strategy with tricks. We are smart, not bots, that's why it's not intended but not needed to be fixed.

You said you don't need communication when you do the "death strategy" but it's wrong. You need it.

What I 've seen is YoshiP has admitted the clear, declared the win and praised the REAL RAIDERS officially. ^^;

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

As I understand it, no one is saying that it's an exploit to sacrifice a player to bypass a mechanic. That's a perfectly viable strategy, though it's rarely useful in a game like FFXIV. The exploit here is that sacrificing a player should deal with only ONE orb - players were using game latency to get rid of TWO orbs by triggering the second before the server realized that the first had already killed the player. This was most likely not intended by the developers, and that's why folks are claiming it was an exploit.

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Except the devs congratulated them for finding a different solution.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

Yes clearly the "winning team" is the one that took longer to clear...

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they spent less time in a4 and killed it faster

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Originally Posted by Khyan

If they fix A4S, they should fix T2, T5 and T6, then. Avoid divebombs during T5 fight without the corners tricks should be funny.

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The arena is a circle. There are no corners.

bruh whats lag