PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Clemency specifically can be problematic in practice.

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I think PLD dps is pretty good atm but it is the utility that needs some minor tweaks, Clemency is awesome but the cast-time is killer as you will get out-casted by healers 99% of time. 1.5-2s cast-time for Clemency would be ideal so your heals wont get wasted and you could get yourself up faster after tankbusters. Also Divine Veil needs something as atm its CD that you have no control over it and its totally up to healers to proc it and if they miss its GG.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

I find it funny how a dark is denying the facts that pld is not even an mt or ot option to all end game statics anymore as current bis set ups are dark mt war ot.

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Actually no, current best setup is War MT and Pld OT.

Drk is a selfish tank that brings nothing worth value to the group, more so if the group has a Monk.

War has the highest MT damage and easiest time stance swapping. Pld and Drk can compete in damage as OT, but Pld brings more utility, and the ONLY str debuff in the game. Paladin is even better off on TP than Drk is, even if only by 40 seconds or so.

You probably wouldn't know this though, the jealousy for Drk is strong.

I remember a time long ago, probably before the person above me was even born, where a tank was a tank, it didn't matter what it "brings". Just there to soak up damage while others create it and not get killed in the process.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

I remember a time long ago, probably before the person above me was even born, where a tank was a tank, it didn't matter what it "brings". Just there to soak up damage while others create it and not get killed in the process.

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Hiding insults only shows you're not as old as you're claiming to be. Whether mentally or physically.

Might want to hop off the "I remember" nostalgia and get with the times. Tanks are more than meat shields who just sit there to soak hits now.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

I remember a time long ago, probably before the person above me was even born, where a tank was a tank, it didn't matter what it "brings". Just there to soak up damage while others create it and not get killed in the process.

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You must be the only one. Dps and healers I see don't seem to be of the same opinion.

Lucerzia just announced their MT had to do 650 DPS to clear A3S. OT did 800.

That's a lot of SwOing for a PLD but doable with good healers.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Lucerzia just announced their MT had to do 650 DPS to clear A3S. OT did 800.

That's a lot of SwOing for a PLD but doable with good healers.

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By now it should be a bit easier, seeing as Paladins can get their Esoteric weapon already.

They're still better suited as the OT however, in place of a good War MT until gear progresses a little more. You'll get the most out of both positions up until the last phase, where both tanks will be on and off with holding the boss.

I don't think DPS is the only thing, it's just 1 variable in the metric. I think the frustration though has to do with combat meta - which devalues PLD currently and empowers DRK due to magic tank busters (but could easily become a shoe-on-the-other-foot scenario in future content), & a reliance on slashing debuff via WAR or NIN - since PLD strength is suppose to be better mitigation for more Healer DPS - this concept doesn't work.


The Magic Tanker VS Physical Tanker dynamic has me a little worried. DRK should have an advantage with magical, PLD with advantage with Physical, but those trade-offs IMO shouldn't be too drastic. (should be just 1 cd like like so: Dark Mind VS permanent shield + Bulwark). Meanwhile WAR is over here IBing & SPathing everything not giving 2 fucks. Also Int Down VS Str Down VS SPath seems like another paradigm empowering this dynamic. The analogy I'd use for all this would be:

A Dark Knight, a Warrior, and a Paladin sit at a table with a jar of cookies.

The Dark Knight takes a cookie from the jar.

The Warrior takes the jar,

then tells the Paladin, "The DRK is eating yours."

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I'd like to see PLD have INT Down instead of DRK. That way mainStat reduction debuffs are their 'thing.' DRK gets Rend Mind & Rend Weapon equivalents via Power Slash & Delirium. WAR still has SPath - which is the best of the bunch, and more easily administered and upkept. But at least with this route any tank duo can stack mitigation debuffs thus making viable MT/OT compositions.

Sorry for the derail. but IMO filling these gaps in mitigation debuffs for OT/MT roles are the elephants in the room.

100% agree Xeno.

The other thing almost never mentioned is part of the reason Elysium went with a DRK MT was so they could swap out their MNK for a NIN. It was a net gain from a two position move and not just to get rid of the PLD. Once the normal raiding world gets to A3S MNK and PLD will be viable. There is actually a lot of Physical damage in A3.

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

That explains why most healers prefer Drks NOT use living dead because of the stress it causes. Hallowed inferior funny.

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The mere fact that LD proc'ed is already something. I say screw them. I'm still going to use it no matter what. I used it because i've forseen what will happen.

Hallowed Ground is and will never be replaced as the best defensive cooldown in he game.