Defilberating the Dead Horse

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

It also takes time to play the market, gather the mats, sell while ppl keep undercutting you. You may say that Bustier is great money, but it hardly sells, everything else is at best 200-300k profit on Moogle

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Are gatherers not also subject to having to play the market?, do they not get under cut when they post materials to sell?, I'm not trying to claim that Bustier is "great money", I'm just comparing time investment vs profitability using the item you brought up as the example to work with in discussion.

I do appreciate that you are trying to make sure both sides are represented fairly though, It is very easy to have the perspective that one side has it easier and I don't mean to diminish the effort that crafters put in by any means.

Gatherers do deserver to get their share, I totally agree.

Thing is for gatherers to make their gil, crafters need to be crafting and able to make gil too, or they just don't bother.

A lot of people seem to dislike those who made good gil from crafting, but people forget that these players are also heavily feeding the other areas of the in game ecomomy. E.g. gatherers, battle classes who farm, spiritbonders etc etc.

My only issue with the new system is the favors. I have no problem they made two ways to gear up crafters. One easy but slow and one hard and risky but faster. That appeals to me. I like doing things the hard way and was somewhat excited to be in the smaller group doing it the hard way. Until I started doing favors... 11 hours a week of straight gathering... Mind numbing. I was able to do it this week because I'm on vacation but I have no idea how I'll manage when I go back to work next week. I think that was a terrible added way to gate crafter progression. I'm fine with them gating it but they should have come up with something more creative than favors. Just my opinion after doing 40 of them.

The lack of quality gear we can make is disappointing but I mostly just enjoy crafting for what it is.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Gatherers do deserver to get their share, I totally agree.

Thing is for gatherers to make their gil, crafters need to be crafting and able to make gil too, or they just don't bother.

A lot of people seem to dislike those who made good gil from crafting, but people forget that these players are also heavily feeding the other areas of the in game ecomomy. E.g. gatherers, battle classes who farm, spiritbonders etc etc.

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We just need to keep demanding more recipes that matter and I think with time SE will get the point, they dropped the ball this time but I think we will stabilize in a few months at the most when we get another batch of recipes.

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Originally Posted by Alysrea

We just need to keep demanding more recipes that matter and I think with time SE will get the point, they dropped the ball this time but I think we will stabilize in a few months at the most when we get another batch of recipes.

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If you have insider information we would appreciate it if you shared it with us OP. Otherwise I dont see the point in your thread.

Why would anyone defibrilate a horse that isnt dead? The sole purpose of this thread is to draw attention away from the threads that are (rightfully) pointing out how much crafting and gathering got shafted this patch.

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Originally Posted by Alysrea

Are gatherers not also subject to having to play the market?, do they not get under cut when they post materials to sell?, I'm not trying to claim that Bustier is "great money", I'm just comparing time investment vs profitability using the item you brought up as the example to work with in discussion.

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It is true that gatherers need alot more time to gatherer a million, thats why i am mainly crafting. But its riskfree, since even if prices drop you still earn, while sometimes a price drop may cut your profit as crafter if you couldnt sell the item for a few days and resource prices dropped in the meantime. Also for non glamour item, a streak of bad hasty touches with a failed reclaim can cost you all the mats.

These are just really extreme cases though and in general you do earn some good money as crafter

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

If you have insider information we would appreciate it if you shared it with us OP. Otherwise I dont see the point in your thread.

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I am not the Poster of this thread, I don't have any inside information and specifically used language that just expressed that the things I have said are my opinion, ie "I think".
I most certainly think that people have the right to feel as though this patch is not as good as other patches in the past and in the most part I agree with those problems, But we need to discuss those things properly and articulate the reasons behind our feelings, I have also been weighing in on peoples solutions and trying to understand how they came to their conclusions, which I have been in support of in some cases. As well as trying to make sure that the aspects of gathering are included in the talks and not just solely focusing on the profitability of crafting.

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Originally Posted by Alysrea

We just need to keep demanding more recipes that matter and I think with time SE will get the point, they dropped the ball this time but I think we will stabilize in a few months at the most when we get another batch of recipes.

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The recipes in game atm I believe are great, new battle gear that would be a temp upgrade when melded and new AF crafter sets.

My only problem is how limited (weekly lockout) the mats for these are, making them totally cost prohibative for a long time.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

The recipes in game atm I believe are great, new battle gear that would be a temp upgrade when melded and new AF crafter sets.

My only problem is how limited (weekly lockout) the mats for these are, making them totally cost prohibative for a long time.

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I am curious, In your opinion do you think taking the weekly lockout away and making it more like blue scripts on no cap but just slow to get the points would be better?

Hey there.

I'm the original poster. Not Alysera. I can tell you right now I would not have the damn patience to do the main story on this game -twice- let alone on a new server. I ran into a post cap and just sat back reading the discussion. Well, most of the discussion. Alysrea has been taking a far more cooperative stance than I set with the tone of this thread. Calm your babyfeeders, Aeyis.

Why did I deliberate the dead horse? I was bored, mainly.

I don't mind the new system. I certainly understand why it would be frustrating for the person who only crafts and/or gathers, but every crafting system has been subpar since SWG Classic for me, so really it's just more of the same.

It doesn't help that the economy in this game was designed to be optional.