So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

It'd be really interesting to see how many players at the end of 2.5 with level 50 DoH and DoL had their corresponding Lucis or even Supra.

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Like with the relic and zodiac weapons, those tools are now only usefull for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

No, I think what I'm reading is "ease up on the requirements so it's more accessible to more people thus driving up the supply and crashing the prices".

Getting rid of overmelds is a good start. No one should ever have to cough up millions for gear. The only reason it costs that much is because you have to buy dozens of materia because of failed melds.

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Go to the shop NPC at the moogle village, buy some (maybe 2) ilevel 100 crafting gear, spiritbound it in the open world (western Coerthas, not northern Thanalan), in the last 3 2.5 dungeons, in World of Darkness or in Dusk Vigil.
It is easy to get crafting materia without buying it.

You can also send your DoL retainer to a 18 hour field exploration X to get a chance on a gathering/crafting materia III without the need to get crafting gear for spiritbounding.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

See, I have no problem with putting in effort.

I have a problem with putting in the gigantic amounts of money that you can only seem to make from crafting.

I started the game about 2 months ago. I don't have the mountains upon mountains of gil that others have.
That's why I'm annoyed with it.

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Dude I am leveling up my crafts now and they basically cost nothing to level. For example you buy rainbow cotton boll and cotton boll to make rainbow thread then take that thread and turn it into cloth. You then sell the cloth back on the market boards you just made a profit all your gil back and then some. Crafting really doesn't cost anything to level just time.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

See, I have no problem with putting in effort.

I have a problem with putting in the gigantic amounts of money that you can only seem to make from crafting.

I started the game about 2 months ago. I don't have the mountains upon mountains of gil that others have.
That's why I'm annoyed with it.

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SE is giving you an alternative with Scrip gear. It might not be as good as overmelded stuff but its good enough to HQ everything we have right now as long you use some HQ mats and a good rotation.

Alright. I just wanted to put this out there:

I have made over 50 million gil through the marketboard this expansion without selling a single crafted or gathered item. With it, I have single-handedly bought my FC's new Large House and have begun furnishing it, have leveled my crafts some by buying the cheaper materials, and whatever else I damned well pleased with my cash.

I have not sold runs, or anything of the sort. I didn't even buy and resell items on the MB for a markup.

I made 50 mil this expansion through the marketboards without using my DoL or DoH and without spending more than 30 minutes a day actively preparing my supply and sales. That is, I spent an average of 30 minutes every day since early access preparing my sales, which has netted me this amount of profit.

To all of you complaining about these prices: what's your excuse, now? If I can do all this, then so can you. You have no leg to stand on.

THAT SAID, I do agree with one thing here: Overmelds shouldn't be required to 100% items 100% of the time if you have sufficient cross-class skills for DoH classes. Overmelds should definitely never be required to meet the stat requirements needed to even start an attempt at crafting any of the upcoming 60* items, like they were for the level 50*, 50**, 50*** (etc.) stuff. I stopped bothering with crafting once overmelds became a requirement at 50, and I will do the same at 60 if overmelds continue to be a requirement.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Gee, I sure wish I could make money doing other things, like monster slaying! =D

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Maps. Maps will get you very very useful things to sell.

Stop crying people. There are plenty of ways to get materials. It isn't hard to level a BTN/MNR/FSH, or any craft for that matter. Got those leves use them. Got those retainers leveled up, use them. I send my retainers out. Need skin and yaks milk or w/e.

Want those Mythrite Nuggets? BSM/GSM/ARM can make them at level 50, takes 5 sands and a mythril ore. A level 50 MNR can got that in no time.

So no there is nothing wrong with crafting or gathering. It's called STOP BEING LAZY! I can farm like 99 stacks of mythrite sand in like 10mins. I can either make my own nuggets or I can sell the sands.


And to the OP. You have level 54 of everything what is the problem, got to actually do some work this time around and not buy everything dirt cheap.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

THAT SAID, I do agree with one thing here: Overmelds shouldn't be required to 100% items 100% of the time if you have sufficient cross-class skills for DoH classes. Overmelds should definitely never be required to meet the stat requirements needed to even start an attempt at crafting any of the upcoming 60* items, like they were for the level 50*, 50**, 50*** (etc.) stuff. I stopped bothering with crafting once overmelds became a requirement at 50, and I will do the same at 60 if overmelds continue to be a requirement.

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I agree on this one, overmelds should only be necessary if you want to HQ with NQ mats, so you spend money to save money later on by only having to by NQ mats.

I personally hope that on Thursday that SE does something to burst these crafter's bubbles. Like make the market go cheap again so that these crafting people can stop whining. So what people don't level craft no reason to make the market get so high that its ridiculous to buy things off the market board. Crafters need to stop being so greedy.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I personally hope that on Thursday that SE does something to burst these crafter's bubbles. Like make the market go cheap again so that these crafting people can stop whining. So what people don't level craft no reason to make the market get so high that its ridiculous to buy things off the market board. Crafters need to stop being so greedy.

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You don't need to be a crafter to make millions of Gil. You can make millions of Gil with a DoW/M or a DoL. People just need to stop being lazy.

There really isn't a reason to even be hating on crafters. Do people really need HQ of everything to hit level 60DoW/M? No. Do people need HQ for anything? No! There is nothing that crafters have right now that you really "need" that you can't get from a NPC. You can go by NQ gear from NPC to get you to level 60, you don't even need to buy any gear. Once you hit 60 you can start farming Law, cause atm there is only ilvl160 bodies.

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Oh and before anyone gets smart and says "My BTN/MNR/FSH needs HQ items" you can go farm materials to sell, to cover the cost of your HQ items, cause that's what I did.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

So no there is nothing wrong with crafting or gathering. It's called STOP BEING LAZY! I can farm like 99 stacks of mythrite sand in like 10mins. I can either make my own nuggets or I can sell the sands.

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The problem is the massive imbalance between classes. Yes, mythril nuggets are incredibly easy to farm. I can easily make 2 or 3 stacks of nuggets per hour with no problem. How long does it take to get 2 or 3 stacks of archaeoleather, which is an item equal to mythril nuggets in usage?

3 skins per leather, farmed at a rate of 30-40 per hour manually, 10 per hour from retainer. Let's be generous and say I get 50 skins per hour this way. That's 16 leather per hour. Also factor in that the Coethan Tea Leaves only spawn at 35 minute intervals, but you CAN get 25 of those in one attempt.

So 16 archaeskins in the same time I can make 200 mythril nuggets, cedar lumber, or rainbow thread. See the problem now?