Dragoon Punished at lvl 58 - What needs to be done with Wheeling Thrust

Wait, so they're both literally the same ability, except random with different positional requirements? Is one off GCD or something?

So you're saying at 58, you have to do more work for the same attack?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Wait, so they're both literally the same ability, except random with different positional requirements? Is one off GCD or something?

So you're saying at 58, you have to do more work for the same attack?

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exactly, whereas, if they gave them together at 56, there'd be no issue, it's just poor placement of level rewards

Hmmmm....yeah that's odd. It seems like they may have intended for the skill gained at 56 to have a 50% chance of proc.

So then, when you got to 58, you'd just get either or. So you'd have a 100% chance at using a skill, except with different positional requirements.

It's probably an oversight, it'll probably get changed.

I hope not. If you get level synced down, having 50% chance for no proc is not fun.

From what I hear, it was different when they showed it as E3, probably and oversight when trying to balance it and get it in game, but it feels aweful this way.

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

I hope not. If you get level synced down, have 50% chance for no proc is not fun.

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no, you get a 100% proc on the other skill instead, your DPS goes up

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Originally Posted by Darus

no, you get a 100% proc on the other skill instead, your DPS goes up

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I'm referring to what Edellis said in that the 100% proc at 56 might be a mistake and instead it might have been intended to be 50% chance to proc or not.

As in, I would hope that isn't the case, because level syncing would be that much worse.

I understand how the mechanics work.

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

I'm referring to what Edellis said in that the 100% proc at 56 might be a mistake and instead it might have been intended to be 50% chance to proc or not.

As in, I would hope that isn't the case, because level syncing would be that much worse.

I understand how the mechanics work.

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My bad, my bad, but you've seen the people that I've been responding to here, force of habit.

But yeah, 50% chance would be horrible.

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

I hope not. If you get level synced down, having 50% chance for no proc is not fun.

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With the way Wheeling Thrust works though, that's really the only logical explanation. Because otherwise, yeah, the class is getting punished at level 58 by making what was a consistent and predictable DPS increase now harder to use.

Most of the other classes seem to gain skills that increase the efficiency of their previous abilities. The way you guys are describing current Dragoon, they reached peak efficiency of Blood of the Dragon at level 56. This was probably intended to happen at 58, hence why maintaining the same DPS at lv58 is actually harder than 56.


So i'm almost positive this is going to get patched. You guys are currently EZmode dps right now.

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Originally Posted by Darus

My bad, my bad, but you've seen the people that I've been responding to here, force of habit.

But yeah, 50% chance would be horrible.

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Yea, it's no prob at all.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

With the way Wheeling Thrust works though, that's really the only logical explanation. Because otherwise, yeah, the class is getting punished at level 58 by making what was a consistent and predictable DPS increase now harder to use.

Most of the other classes seem to gain skills that increase the efficiency of their previous abilities. The way you guys are describing current Dragoon, they reached peak efficiency of Blood of the Dragon at level 56. This was probably intended to happen at 58, hence why maintaining the same DPS at lv58 is actually harder than 56.


So i'm almost positive this is going to get patched. You guys are currently EZmode dps right now.

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Jeeze that hurts coming from a BRD lol.

Honestly the complexity of this job has greatly increased from the 2.x incarnation and I would argue that DRG is not the easiest DPS available in this game.
We have two new random positionals that lose 190 potency if you hit the wrong side; we also have a new buff to maintain in BotD that is similar to how a MNK needs to maintain GL.
A derp isn't just going to pick up this job and shine.

I've already stated I understand the OP's point in an earlier post. Yea, from a reward perspective it isn't a reward. We need to look at the job as a whole at lvl 60 though and just accept the mechanic for what it is. Most people don't have an issue with it on the whole.

To my point though, why change the 56 skill to 50% just to make the 58 quest feel like a reward when at the end of the day you'll just move on and stop caring. All it would do is hurt you when you lvl sync.