Defensive ability, WAR VS DRK

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Like I said above, Odin's fight is a good way to see the differences.
PLD has 5 preemptive defense CD, so you always have one ready for each Sangetall. WAR has Inner Beast. That alone is enough to mitigate every hit too.

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Originally Posted by Launched

WAR will outmitigate DRK any day of the week. It has Inner Beast (20% damage reduction) for every tank buster, and each IB will also have one of:
Vengeance (equal to Shadow Wall on a shorter cooldown)
Raw Intuition (another 20% vs physical attacks)
Thrill of Battle (and possibly Equilibrium).

WAR can also use stuff like Foresight/Awareness/Convalescence just with IB while DRK needs to stack them with a full cooldown.

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Inner Beast isn't always available. Requires Infuriated. DRK has more defensive CDs, though that's a wash with the fact WAR has IB. Which is why I said they don't have any defensive advantage.

Has anyone tried FCoB with DRK to test it out, see how it works? Not level 60 7 man, actual level 50 FCoB.

Feel like T12 and T13 MTing would give a really good feel for the ins and outs of it.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Has anyone tried FCoB with DRK to test it out, see how it works? Not level 60 7 man, actual level 50 FCoB.

Feel like T12 and T13 MTing would give a really good feel for the ins and outs of it.

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Drk is heavensward content, how it fares in heavensward is what matters.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Inner Beast isn't always available. Requires Infuriated. DRK has more defensive CDs, though that's a wash with the fact WAR has IB. Which is why I said they don't have any defensive advantage.

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Whhhat? No...if you know a fight, Inner beast is ALWAYS available. It doesnt take long to get 5 stacks and Infuriate is a quick CD. I don't know what warrior does not have IB up for every single tank buster. The only time that it MIGHT happen is in t13, but any other fight, from death sentence to revelation, you have plenty of time to get back to 5 stacks, and in most cases, use an ability and then get BACK up to 5 stacks. This is MORE the case now that you can gain stacks as an off tank and swap into being a main tank with them ready.

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Originally Posted by Hundred

Drk is heavensward content, how it fares in heavensward is what matters.

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Cause heavensward will have 100% new raid theory behind it..right? They will depart from 2 years of dungeon and raid design suddenly and ONLY in alexander (look at the primal fights and dungeons so far--what of them are different from the old content in such a way as to favor a Drk? Its the same design, physical busters, or low enough damage (dungeons) that it doesnt matter).

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

sorry, TouchandFeel has it right, I was just quoting you to give an example of how the DRK toolset seems lacking vs. frequent physical tank busters.

The rest of the post about the mana and stuff was in reply to Ceodore just listing out a bunch of DRK abilities and saying DRK is ok.

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Ok then. It was late, I was tired :p

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Has anyone tried FCoB with DRK to test it out, see how it works? Not level 60 7 man, actual level 50 FCoB.

Feel like T12 and T13 MTing would give a really good feel for the ins and outs of it.

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already do it.. yes.. its possible.. (before i run with DF.. and 2 DRK..)
clear it with 1 shot...

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Originally Posted by Lazka

already do it.. yes.. its possible.. (before i run with DF.. and 2 DRK..)
clear it with 1 shot...

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Can you share your cooldown rotation, please ?

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Has anyone tried FCoB with DRK to test it out, see how it works? Not level 60 7 man, actual level 50 FCoB.

Feel like T12 and T13 MTing would give a really good feel for the ins and outs of it.

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FCoB has 20% Echo, and I'm fairly sure the stat scaling puts you at the absolute highest possible stats for the instance, same as it does in other instances when it level syncs you.

It isn't really a good place to determine a classes worth when you're 20%+ overtuned for the encounter.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

It isn't really a good place to determine a classes worth when you're 20%+ overtuned for the encounter.

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I think it's good enough to practice CD rotation and see how many times you'd get caught off guard.
Something like "Without the Echo, this Flatten would have killed me since all my buffs are on cooldown" :p