Please reconsider phase changes that heavily disadvantage players

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Have you beaten Ramuh Extreme? You have your achievements on Lodestone blocked.

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I have and adds come at 64% and you want a thunderstorm to occur before the last add is killed for a proper tank swap.

So yes, you can avoid the wipe by doing the above.

Even if you do get double chaotic strikes, someone should be able to free them of fear before the next Ramuh aoe.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Yes. It is. There is any number of ways they could have made Ifrit not just outright kill you for getting his HP% to an arbitrarily low threshold. Here's one: Ifrit takes 0 damage until nail phase ends.

When you literally have to have your tanks put their weapons away because even that much damage is going to enrage, you have a poorly designed fight.

Ifrit is not even the only fight to have an arbitrary pseudo-enrage for not throttling DPS: Haukke Manor HM's final boss works much the same way. A fucking 4-man dungeon boss.

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And that's entirely your opinion. The mechanic serves a purpose, which is to have a certain control over the encounter and you hating doesn't mean that it's broken mechanic, it just means you hate the mechanic.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Have you beaten Ramuh Extreme? You have your achievements on Lodestone blocked.

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That's not relevant because:

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Originally Posted by Psykotsu

I have and adds come at 64% and you want a thunderstorm to occur before the last add is killed for a proper tank swap.

So yes, you can avoid the wipe by doing the above.

Even if you do get double chaotic strikes, someone should be able to free them of fear before the next Ramuh aoe.

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Not doing a good transition is not an issue of luck or bad design, it's an issue with your lack of control over the encounter and you're punished for it.

See though, Ramuh Ex, Turn 5, Turn 7, and Turn 8 are all examples where you can push phases at awkward or inopportune times, and it can cause problems that result in deaths. And I have 0 problem with that.

Because none of them are an instant "you lose".

My hating Ifrit/HMHM's mechanics does not mean they aren't also broken.

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Originally Posted by Psykotsu

I have and adds come at 64% and you want a thunderstorm to occur before the last add is killed for a proper tank swap.

So yes, you can avoid the wipe by doing the above.

Even if you do get double chaotic strikes, someone should be able to free them of fear before the next Ramuh aoe.

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No, Ramuh can start new phases immediately with a Thunderspark. So, if you have chaotic strike go out, then a phase change, he will sometimes immediately begin the next phase with a Thunderspark, often killing your two charmed people immediately. He will also "phase change" again at 29% when he spawns his adds. If you push Ramuh EX from 30%->29% immediately after a chaotic strike, he will immediately thunderspark and kill your two charmed team members.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

And that's entirely your opinion. The mechanic serves a purpose, which is to have a certain control over the encounter and you hating doesn't mean that it's broken mechanic, it just means you hate the mechanic.

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Similarly, though, saying that it's well designed is entirely your opinion. >_>

You're saying that the mechanic makes us control our dps and the pace of the fight. We're pointing out that 1) this isn't necessarily true (see SarcasmMisser's post) and 2) there are other ways this can be accomplished.

I can understand why you would defend having a mechanic to throttle dps. I don't understand why you would defend this one in place of an alternative. >_>

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Similarly, though, saying that it's well designed is entirely your opinion. >_>

You're saying that the mechanic makes us control our dps and the pace of the fight. We're pointing out that 1) this isn't necessarily true (see SarcasmMisser's post) and 2) there are other ways this can be accomplished.

I can understand why you would defend having a mechanic to throttle dps. I don't understand why you would defend this one in place of an alternative. >_>

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I never stated that my point of view wasn't an opinion either. And I am not saying that an alternative is not feasible because, it is but that doesn't necessarily mean that I can't defend this type of mechanic either.

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I would pay money to see these kids play XI, I really would.

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Did we play the same game?

XI doesn't have the "team jump rope" mechanics XIV has. Nor were there stupid enrage timers and "LOL EVERYONE DIE AOE" outside of a handful of NMs. I can think of one fight offhand that punished you for DPSing too fast (Celestial Nexus battle) and even then it was predictable.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Did we play the same game?

XI doesn't have the "team jump rope" mechanics XIV has. Nor were there stupid enrage timers and "LOL EVERYONE DIE AOE" outside of a handful of NMs. I can think of one fight offhand that punished you for DPSing too fast (Celestial Nexus battle) and even then it was predictable.

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It wasn't as much of a " punishment". The NMs/whatever would just gain TP faster and seemed to use it more liberally. what made it scarier was the lack of orange circles and extra debufs that got tossed around by spells. If your group paced itself you ran into far less AoE or didn't trigger nasty moves. I think there were even a few bosses that would only use their worst stuff if they took too much damage over time or were hit by certain spells.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

but that doesn't necessarily mean that I can't defend this type of mechanic either.

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If it were this or nothing, I'd probably take this.

Between this and some of the other mechanics we have, though? Not so much.

At any rate, I think we've both pretty much said our pieces on this topic, eh?