Protesting Frontlines

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Originally Posted by Tandy

There are tons of ways to give progression that still keeps fights balanced between someone max rank or level and a fresh player.

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I'm really not sure what to say... You think it's more balanced for some players to be able to resist Sleep, completely counteract Bane, move faster (completely broken IMO) and clear objectives faster, than for some players to just have a minor boost in defense and offense? You would really rather Summoner be completely redundant against some groups, than simply having to push DPS a bit harder and focus on healing slightly more? You'd really rather some people be able to capture the flag faster, than simply have them put up a bit more of a fight?

Can someone please tell me what is wrong with someone having an advantage? If it's an unbeatable advantage, sure. That's an issue, but that isn't what Morale is. Do none of you enjoy being the underdog? I'm by no means a veteran at PvP, but I've been in plenty of matches where the other team had the Morale advantage. Winning those matches is second only to the very rare match that lasts more than a few moments.

I will admit, progress could be achieved through traits unlocked with Ranks, but that really seems to create a bigger problem... If I see a White Mage in their Swan outfit, I know they have an advantage. I can go in prepared to work a different strategy, or push DPS harder. If I go in and they have traits that let them move faster, or resist sleep? I'm completely unprepared for that.

If you're suggesting progression through Rank, then you're obviously not against players having an advantage, because in both cases players have an advantage. The only difference is I can see a players Morale advantage, while their traits are completely unknown to me. With that in mind, doesn't progression through more traits seem to give a greater advantage than Morale? Isn't it more balanced to give players a slight advantage with gear, than it is to leave players wondering why the cannot sleep their enemy?

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Originally Posted by Rin23

Thx SE. I lost six months ... Bye all x)

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I wish you had really quit instead of just paying to swap server to play with win traders and ruin pvp. No wonder you want morale in frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

There are tons of ways to give progression that still keeps fights balanced between someone max rank or level and a fresh player.

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I agree 100%! I really do and can't stress that enough. But the Wolves' Den was not released under those circumstances and that is the crux of my argument. It was released a full 6 months ago with PvP ranks and gear that promised a competitive advantage for those who worked for it. You may disagree that any player should be offered an advantage over others in a PvP context, but that was not SE's take when Patch 2.1 was released. They gave people the chance to work for six months for that advantage and now they're pulling the carpet out from under them. So I completely understand their frustration!

Looking forward, I truly hope that SE can rebuild our trust and work out solutions that are fair to all parties. But for the moment I really do feel that their decision to eliminate Morale's influence in Frontlines is absolutely unfair given that is a 180 from the six previous months of PvP progression.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

I wish you had really quit instead of just paying to swap server to play with win traders and ruin pvp. No wonder you want morale in frontlines.

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Rose, I left and now I'm with players who know how to PvP ( pve players are boring) and to avoid Solo Q. It's dead on Phoenix. I don't mind about moral I just dislike being treated like a cunt. I hope to have PvP rewards at Frontline and not Allagan tomestones of soldiery nor Monture...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

-snip- some players to be able to resist Sleep, completely counteract Bane, move faster (completely broken IMO) and clear objectives faster, -snip-

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Innate resistant means a boost to what you already have for resists, not outright NEVER get sleeped. You have materia now that does the SAME THING.

Group wide esuna? 150 second recast at least, removes one debuff...bane copies 3, so still useful (not to mention instant cast AoE dot smn has)

Out of combat speed? Get to objective faster, literally NOT ACTIVE IN COMBAT.

Faster objective claiming? Normal is 30 seconds, your is 25.

None of those break anything or make a fight as imbalanced as your saying,but they are great perks for serious pvp'ers.

Also, most systems like this gives ranks as titles (which we now see on our names) so if it always uses them in pvp like some games....you see that "Lord Commander" title easier than a swan outfit, and know it's someone good.

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Originally Posted by Rin23

Rose, I left and now I'm with players who know how to PvP ( pve players are boring) and to avoid Solo Q. It's dead on Phoenix. I don't mind about moral I just dislike being treated like a cunt. I hope to have PvP rewards at Frontline and not Allagan tomestones of soldiery nor Monture...

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That's a really poor excuse. If you wanted to avoid solo que and have people that really know how to pvp you could have gone to Moogle, or hell even Cerberus or Ragnarok.

You choose Odin, almost no pvp players and the ones that do it are sad win traders that are far from knowing how to pvp. I'm not going to say names because it's against the rules but we are a small comunity and everyone know who we are talking about and they are really bad and just get random wins because of having a unfair advantage after wintrading till rank40.

Atleast the traders from Ragnarok stoped playing on random que.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

That's a really poor excuse. If you wanted to avoid solo que and have people that really know how to pvp you could have gone to Moogle, or hell even Cerberus or Ragnarok.

You choose Odin, almost no pvp players and the ones that do it are sad win traders that are far from knowing how to pvp. I'm not going to say names because it's against the rules but we are a small comunity and everyone know who we are talking about and they are really bad and just get random wins because of having a unfair advantage after wintrading till rank40.

Atleast the traders from Ragnarok stoped playing on random que.

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Speaking of the Odin crew, the french PVP forum is pretty hilarious according to a friend. It's too bad I have to rely on google translate when he is not around to translate.

After reading a few post, I love the fact that so many people care; even to see PVE'er take a stand in this conversation, mind the troller. What I feat from FF Dev is that, PVP is a novelty to them. A 2nd class sport in the books. While I am on the fence of being a person who does both. I feel they PVP cannot be like PVE, yet. their is much ground work to be done in the world of PVP. We, like all that must fight an stand our ground, and the lack there of morale, in PVP boast a clear misunderstand in taking 3 steps backwards. While Boycott is our governor, our land lord per say. I agree but I will live Frontline, not like the trinket of playing style you design, but as the next Level in PVP.

Oh look.

SE realized what a mistake they had with the opening PvP system and is beta testing another. Hope it goes better this time.

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Originally Posted by rappa

You are a troll and if you are not interested in pvp GTFO.

Obviuosly the fucking gear is obsolete when a new patch is up, but your fucking numbing mind carebear player haven't got the empathy to think about us, pvp players. You spent your fucking time playing PVE, gearing your fucking jobs during a lot of months, when a new patch is up, you can use that gear to get new ones.

The pvp players, who spent 3-4-5 months to get pvp gear, can't use theirs stuffs in a pvp scenary because carebears like you want play a fucking pvp encounter where no one can't kill you.

Pvp gear and morale is ingame as resillience in wow, because that stat is a reward for people who do pvp, who spent month farming gear, farming seals and farming experience to obtain the best gear at this moment, like a pve player does the high end encounter to get the best gear to defeat more easily the next content.

So, don't say anymore our gear shouldn't even exist because i am starting to think you are a JERK

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Oh get over yourself. I played swtor for 3 years almost exclusively pvp and their gear rotation was reset every 4 months (literally, it reset. They would completely remove the old tier 1 gear move the ranked gear down to the tier 1 gear and add a new ranked gear. It's been a two tier system for over two years.) then they added a bolster system which at one point made pve gear on par, and in some cases if manipulated correctly was better than ranked gear. So I know exactly where you are coming from.

But you know what? Reality kicked in and I just realized that I just wanted competitive pvp. All pvp gear did was made me lol whenever I killed some new player from 100-0 without even doing a fuller opener ( case in point the average crit at the time was 6k. I hit some undergeared player in leveling green gear for 14k...He dropped in two globals which in swtor is 1.5s per GCD.) When fighting someone of equal gear the pvp stats are completely nullified. Its completely pointless to have. Progression makes sense in pve. In PvP? Its pointless. It's 100% a negative experience towards new players and veterans are completely normalized in pvp stats so whats the point? I'm not saying there should be zero rewards. Give out vanity gear to show off your rank, or even a mount. Season 1 in swtor had a unique rancor for people who achieved top rank and a unique armor shell as well. That's really all that is needed.

The whole pvp stat is overplayed. I'm past the point of "lol I one shot the newb." So no, I'm not being a troll, I'm just telling you to get over it because mmo's are moving away from the pvp stat. Even WoW is moving away from it taking a note from swtor and creating their own bolster system. Developers are realizing that a pvp stat is not good for pvp, simple as that.