Titan Extreme mode - no melee allowed. Thx SE.

Garuda EM with no melees.....understandable thanks to Wicked Wheel.

Titan EM with no melees.....is up to the group's choice. if they feel its easier to coordinate with just range dps, then so be it. But let me tell u guyz honestly, melee dps delivers the highest dps ingame, they hit like a truck and you won't regret having them for titan EM. Dodging the mechanics in titan EM, that applies to all classes here, not only melee dps. If they think that melee dps is going to die a lot thanks to the AOE, that is no difference to the range dps because everyone in titan EM equally have to dodge them at the same time.

In summary, its not SE fault, just some groups preference.

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

yeah on Ifirt I guess mages are more desireable specially because of Meteor LB, but I guess it has to be that way. Some fights mages are better and some not. Some fights melee are better some are not. Otherwise people would have any reason to level classes that wouldnt work on any kinda of fights. There must be a balance.

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Correction, you would not want a Meteor LB in Ifrit Extreme LMAO. Wipes the whole party if you cast that.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

It actually is and I'm inclined to say that you're pretty bad at BLM after reading some of your other posts. I easily do 260-300 DPS on Titan and parse similar to our MNK and SMN.

I'm so tired of people who play our class like garbage speaking for the rest of the community. Next time I do Titan Ex, I'll post our parses. The only one anyone parsed today was Ifrit.

http://i.imgur.com/eYTay3M.jpg

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I wish I could just PM but meh SE forums. So I will just post it here:

Ifrit EM, I died twice in this kill yet still managed better DPS than you :).

http://i.imgur.com/Vx8MCNX.png

For shit and giggles I tried to do better and was able to pull 360 DPS same fight, same group but it was not a kill so ain't worth posting.

Whatever DPS you post, I promise I will crush it, you pick the boss and I will go pug it (you are not worth my coil group time after all)^^. kthxbye.

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Next time show a little bit of respect instead of attacking people and pretending to be anything special.

So let me get this straight: you post a screenshot with an alleged Ifrit Ex kill and your DPS next to it with no discernible background besides some city. Tell you what. There are so many errors in your post that I'm just going to let this slide.

You parse has you doing 13k less damage to Ifrit than I did because you died twice. You assure me, though, that you are a better BLM...yet how does a better BLM die twice on Ifrit Ex compared to a BLM who does 13k more overall damage than you without dying once? My guess is that you are still a terrible BLM.

I also notice you have two BRDs in your party. Interesting thing, that. Do you know why BRDs are so useful to BLMs? I won't insult your intelligence by stating why because you hopefully aren't stupid enough to not know why. Mitsukai's main is a PLD. He did not sing any songs the entire fight.

So we have you with two BRDs, who most likely used foe requiem many times throughout the fight (plus soul voice during two instances), doing 13k less damage than myself without a BRD singing foe requiem.

Let's review the facts:

1) You claim that BLM damage is poor on movement intensive fights like Titan and Ifrit yet provide evidence, along with mine, to contradict your own statement.

2) You claim to be a better BLM than myself yet do 13k less damage in the same fight because you died twice. You know how much a dead DPS does in terms of damage, right?

3) You have issues pulling the same numbers on Titan. My guess, from your previous 'pro-tip' post, is that your flare on gaols isn't really helping you much, is it? :)

4) In the 'pro-tip' post, you didn't even know manawall worked on landslide or manaward on bombs/geocrush when Titan HM has the same mechanics and has been out much longer. How professional can you be if you do not understand the class you play?

For the love of god: you don't even have eye for an eye on your BLM.

I think I'd rather take a BLM who doesn't die at all on Ifrit, knows the defensive abilities that the job has access to, has all the appropriate cross class abilities, and does more overall damage than one with inflated DPS values due to foe requiem.

So you said name a fight, did you not? How about you post your next Titan Ex kill since you seem to have so much trouble with it as a BLM. I'll post mine as well. We'll see what happens in the end, won't we?

You could call this a checkmate of sorts: if you post a parse with you doing respectable DPS on Titan Ex, you will contradict every point you've made in this thread. If you post a parse with you doing poor DPS while I post a parse with high DPS, your position as the less skilled BLM will be set in stone. What will you do? (=^・^=)

As for your last comment, there is no need to show respect to people who do not understand the job they are playing and spew nonsense on forums.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

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Hitomi,

If Foe was used in the fight at all, even for 1 second I would have said so and mentioned it. No Foe was used, take it or leave it won't change the fact that I just posted higher DPS. It is a game, no reason to lie about it.

As for the rest of your points I honestly don't know where did you get that I'm struggling with Titan when I assure you that I have killed him with PUGs more than I can count now, it is after all a fun fight even when it offers me nothing. It seems this is turning to personal attack of some sort, not worth getting banned off the forums for it.


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It is competent MNKs & SMNs whom I can't beat in Titan and Ifirt, not pugs or people at your level I assure you.

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Stop lying please, I always knew about Manawall and Landslides, I did not know about Bombs and Plumes cause I never bothered testing it. Why would I? I can dodge.

No reason to continue the hatred and personal attacks, I won't bite any longer and will just post more DPS shots later without continuing this pointless conversation with you. Would have been much easier if we were on the same server, but we are not.

GL & HF.

So you have two BRDs who didn't foe requiem the entire fight? Did they just sit at max MP the entire time doing nothing? Yeah..I'm pretty sure requiem was on and I'm also pretty sure you wouldn't notice. You strike me as the type of person who tunnel visions bosses without regard to raid mechanics at all. You don't have eye so you can't provide support to your tanks and my guess is you probably don't use virus at all either.

You don't know where "I'm struggling with Titan" comes from, from you? Here, let me remind you:

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

In my humble opinion, Titan EM is an absolute nightmare for Black Mages. As a DD you are expected to deliver good amount of DPS.

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Would you like to contradict yourself anymore or are you just about done?

It's not a personal attack. You, and quite a few other people in this thread, have stated that BLM are at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to Titan Ex which just isn't true. You decided to defend your stance. I provided evidence and discredited your stance. See how this works?

You said English wasn't your first language so let's start with the basics.

Do you understand how DPS works? It's called damage per second. If a BLM is currently not casting anything on a boss fight and a DoT is not on the boss, they are not doing any DPS. This is common amongst casters in other MMOs which is why people often disregard DPS all together and, instead, focus on overall damage.

So not only did I do 13k more damage to you (again, something you've neglected), but I also didn't die twice. You claim to be a better BLM but the facts are right there for you: I do more overall damage, didn't die once during the same fight (where you died twice), and have all my cross class abilities.

All your DPS reading tells me is that you had thunder on the boss the entire time which, funny enough, probably resulted in your deaths. Do you understand how poor DPS is as a measurement for damage dealing casters with 1 DoT? Probably not.

Overall damage tells the bigger picture. As you can see, the SMN had lower DPS than I did but still did more overall damage than both myself and the MNK. Would you say SMN is worthless as well? No, because he did the most overall damage. His actual DPS is 339 with his pet. Not surprising because the pet attacks non-stop and SMN DoTs are on the boss constantly (as well as multiple nails on that phase).

There's also the fact that you died twice. People at my level don't die twice on Ifrit. So...where does that place you? See post #65.

I look forward to your Titan parses.

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Yeah full of assumptions about my play style and what I do and not do. Sigh, I don't even understand how did the sentence you quoted translated to "I'm bad, I suck, I eat plumes and I'm struggling with titan". If this is not a post full of hatred and personal attacks I don't know what is. You know nothing about me or how I play or run my own Coil group. You don't even know how I set up my UI. This is why I said no respect, you are right and I'm wrong by default, cause? reasons.

I said Bards did not use Foe at all I know that for sure, not something I missed or assumed, the Foe icon is clear as day and I have the boss focus targeted the whole time, so wither I'm attacking nails or Ifirt I'm able to see what debuffs they got on them.

As for my deaths, so I died, end of the world. I suck, you are better, it is not like I farmed Titan, and Ifrit so many times without a single death. I was being honest about what I posted. Once more it is a game, no reason to lie or alter facts.

This is my last post you may pick another target to hate on and attack. You can't even have a civil conversation anymore, must hate, harass and attack. Assume the opposition is wrong, make ignorant imaginary comments about them and move from there.

So much BLM epeening.

At least there's evidence that BLMs can perform well on Titan EM. Would like to see a detailed parse though; I'm guessing ~5 dps is coming from bomb aoe damage during add phase, or maybe not.

I ran titan ex last night on blm and out performed everyone in the pt, but just barely. It was mostly due to double flare spam on the adds, as prior to that phase i was 3rd in the dps race.

Regardless of the epeen sword fight that this thread has turned into, BLM has been proven to be a viable class in all 3 extreme fights. So yea, Neo, your greater than chain is false. I'd say its:

Smart players of any job > DRG > SMN > MNK > bad bard > bad blm

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I'm missing the point of this thread.

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K we'll walk through it slowly. You stated, further back in this thread, that:

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MNKS > SMN > DRG > BARD > BLM when it comes to DPS if all are equally geared and skilled against Titan Ex. This is just a stupid group that don't count for much. Heck, fastest Titan Ex kill I ever had, pug one shotted had a MNK and DRG doing crazy dmg.

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Several people have told you that you're pretty much wrong yet you stated this opinion of yours is absolute fact. If it's absolute fact for you and one of the other BLMs in the community is doing just fine on Titan contrary to what you say, then you're bringing your own personal play style into this because this is what you've observed on your encounters.

I'm not sure how else you want me to explain it to you.