So.. who's leveling a SCH?

To me the changes to WHM aren't catastrophic or even altogether that bad. HOWEVER, prior to the patch I would have said WHM and SCH are equal and on par with each other. SCH have utility and ability to DPS a bit more but pay for it in heal size, however shielding makes up for it. WHM don't have loads in the utility department but are frankly the howitzers of heals.

With 2.1 I think the scales did tip, not perhaps by a lot, but they did. As a player who looks at things through a lens of efficiency, the SCH is the winner here. Have to work too hard to make cure III work at all, the change to medica II was absolutely unneeded. It (in theorycraft) alters the play of the WHM enough to throw the scales. SCH maintain their place..actually I guess they get a bit of a buff, where WHM get downgraded a smidge.

I've been avoiding my SCH because I've never been a fan of pet classes and the AI in this game is bad. With the fixes and the fact that as a SCH I can heal as well as a WHM can as well as DPS and have a little flying heal bot that isn't prone to stupid anymore..yeah I'll be doing that.

lol so much sch bandwagon,
time to level my whm and teach you sch wannabe how to play :)

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Originally Posted by Ashira

It seems a few small changes are enough to make people abandon their class. SCH WHM is still the optimal healing setup, so you're still just as valuable as a WHM.

Have some faith in your class. Even if they have become the underdog; which I don't think they have, prove you're a good healer by still performing in spite of the changes.

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This isn't wow. I'm not talking rerolling a new toon, i was already high enough for Eye for eye. As soon as i hit 50 i'll get my relic, +1 it and sit pretty in the 7 ilvl 90 coil and myth pieces that carry over and i still have my darklight to fill the rest. (Not to mention the coil helm changes make it bis for sch anyway.)

Of course i'll still do fine on my whm. But with the changes i feel i can do better as a sch. Sch was powerful from the getgo, and with fairy changes there is nothing to hold people back.

Honestly many healers in coil have both, the fairy was just such a pain i didn't want to deal with it.

Just to address one thing. Its not that whm aoe healing mechanics are broken, its that game mechanics favor sch. Right now there are only a few select times where aoe burst healing (cure 3) is needed, thats why medica 2 was so useful and the fairy aoe remains useful, the healing was over time and you could hit the entire raid and didn't have to ask the raid to stack. Buffed or not if cure 3 is not needed then.... what? Even enrage in coil is easily handled with medica and allows for the whm to heal the ENTIRE raid including the tank.

And honestly, even if they do put out instances where cure 3 is suddenly needed.... its lower than ilvl 90 content anyway. I'll probably only run crystal tower on my blm alt when i'm bored.

I'm wholeheartly with Gurpmeister here

anyway, to whoever thinks WHM is still a must because of AoE heals even if gimped, just because SCH only has Whispering Dawn at disposal and its 60s cd
dual Sch can covered that with 2 WD, there will be only 18second a minute that your party don't have AoE heal
also, if both SCH actually do communicate and timely executed, there will only be 9s per 30s downtime which Succor can covered that more than enough

again, the only real need for WHM is where AoE spike fast and you need to huddle together to eat CureIII

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

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You could compare that to a WHM + SCH, which allows the SCH to use Selene instead of Eos in some instances. Wouldn't the latter be more useful?

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Originally Posted by SasaraiKorai

You could compare that to a WHM + SCH, which allows the SCH to use Selene instead of Eos in some instances. Wouldn't the latter be more useful?

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maybe. maybe not
me and my SCH partner came to an agreement that Selene is next to useless comparing to Eos

here is a quote from what we discussing long ago

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Here are the maths I made for Selene if anyone is interested

With my gear I have 424 Spell speed, which give me a base GCD of 2.42, with Selene it goes down to 2.30.
That's a 5% speed increase;
With 2.42 GCD over 30seconds I would have been able to use 12.39 spells
With 2.3 GCD over 30 seconds I am able to use 13.04
That is not even a full extra spell so take it as you want but I'd rather have the heal potency increase from Eos (Physicks go from 890 to 1090)

Also I am not wasting a swiftcast + 500 MP just to min/max a proc that will give barely 1 more attack

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Depending on how badly they nerf the limit breaks, I might have to switch to SCH. For a little bit at least. :( Our other healer has only WHM at 50 and just got relic. But he's mentioned wanting to level SCH, after PLD..

Maybe the better pet AI will make being on SCH less miserable. No offense to proud SCH, but it isn't really my play style.

So many bad players who need to play the perceived OP class to enjoy themselves? I really do pity you.

I've been a SCH since the start and I'll still want to group with a good WHM in an 8 man over another SCH.

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Originally Posted by Terius

So many bad players who need to play the perceived OP class to enjoy themselves? I really do pity you.

I've been a SCH since the start and I'll still want to group with a good WHM in an 8 man over another SCH.

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<3 Teri <3

Also to make it clear, despite my complains about the changes and that I feel the balance is being shifted, I also agree that WHM/SCH is still the best team for any content.

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Originally Posted by Terius

So many bad players who need to play the perceived OP class to enjoy themselves? I really do pity you.

I've been a SCH since the start and I'll still want to group with a good WHM in an 8 man over another SCH.

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I really wasn't going to touch this... but i can't help myself. Perceived OP class? Who said anything about OP. Honestly, sch were always better at single target healing, always better in t5, and perfectly fine with regards to raid healing.

Is so hard to understand that the whm changes might make the class less fun? Sch was always the more efficent healer, but it was broken. With pet fixes, its fine.

SE is trying to force whm to use cure 3. If medica 2 were op (which if you do the math, rouse succor plus fairy aoe is better by far), they could have just added a cooldown.

SE has created a problem. They are trying to force the use of a burst healing spell in a game where mechanics don't require it. So one of two things will happen.

1: Mechanics will stay mostly the same and Cure 3 will still be pointless,

2. Mechanics will require BURST aoe healing and suddenly sch's will be suffering.