BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Ask any monk or dragoon if they'd give up Fracture for Raging Strikes. You won't get a hesitant answer.
I'm not sure about summoners, but I bet they'd give up Thunder for Internal Release.

Reason? Both trade resource efficiency for damage. Cooldowns are simply free damage increases.

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I'll agree that we have the best cross-classing of the bunch; I just think you're undervaluing what some of the other classes get. We also seem to agree that, while we do have the best cross-classing, our overall balance seems to be about where it needs to be. Overall, not much to argue unless I decide to start nitpicking your points (more than I do by default). :p

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Originally Posted by Cinicus

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I really think that the healer LB is pretty useful when the healers die or when they need to focus on heal the remaining party members, and I like the pliability of the Bard, is has the less dps of all the dps classes, but because he swap it for utility to the party. I really don't care so much about the nerf, I don't have BFB because I saw it coming and do a rasonable dps, but I think that is unfair the way that the people talk about the Bard like "You are a support class and only must boost me and let me do bigger numbers, or let me heal without worry about my MP"

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Originally Posted by Drakkur

Here is me, dpsing with another very geared BRD in my guild (he was screwing around and only had half the uptime). No Piecing debuff on the target, I added the itemized result to show that I'm not loading up all the dummies with my Dots (they would be a much larger fraction of the damage).
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ummy250DPS.png

Here is all the BRDs in the guild getting together to do a DPS contest, Blueash is a prime example of how well a very geared Bard can actually do.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ompetition.png

My apologies for crappy pictures, I don't have PS on this computer so I used fail paint.

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Think you confused twintania with a targeet dummy then, so you havnt actually ever done twintania right?

"On twintania i consistently parse 250-270 single target" and you get 251dps on a target dummy..... LOLOLOLOL.

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Originally Posted by Phai

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Nope, asking if the person I was quoting wanted to be top DPS with that amount of utility Bards bring. The "bring more Bards thing" is used very often yeah. Pick up groups will shout for another Bard, when other DPS can fill in that roll better.

The reason they are being nerfed is because 'bad' players can still manage to get through turns stacking Bards. I don't expect the nerf to be severe, but you have to agree they need to adjust some stuff.

People blabbering about how Bard' dps will drop by a, I quote, 'HUGE' amount, are just...

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

Nope, asking if the person I was quoting wanted to be top DPS with that amount of utility Bards bring. The "bring more Bards thing" is used very often yeah. Pick up groups will shout for another Bard, when other DPS can fill in that roll better.

The reason they are being nerfed is because 'bad' players can still manage to get through turns stacking Bards. I don't expect the nerf to be severe, but you have to agree they need to adjust some stuff.

People blabbering about how Bard' dps will drop by a, I quote, 'HUGE' amount, are just...

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For this reason they need to make the class more difficult, no a damage nerf. Is not our fault the people that do not know how to play their class

the fact of the matter is that bards have their utility and bring it along with their DPS. this 'nerf' people are going crazy about isn't even all that serious. bards will still be wanted f

still be wanted for coil regardless. only difference is that coil won't need multiple bards and there will be more room for other dps.

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Originally Posted by Lupus

still be wanted for coil regardless. only difference is that coil won't need multiple bards and there will be more room for other dps.

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I seriously don't think coil has ever needed multiple bards. I'm not sure why anyone thinks it does. . .

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I seriously don't think coil has ever needed multiple bards. I'm not sure why anyone thinks it does. . .

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The only time where multiple bards are viable is Turn 2. Even then, a smart MNK or PLD can rotate silence with each other or the Bard. High Voltage is very predictable.

I probably should have mentioned Turn 2 lol

I still don't think losing B4B would hurt us that much, but thats my opinion of course.