new players screwed?

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

From personal experience, I've had all my dungeons queues be pretty short (Halatali was like instant). Also, we can't blame SE for the FATE grinding problem. I don't think they knew that players would only play the game to get to max level, rather than trying to play their class in a group. Hopefully SE lowers the FATE exp and doesn't just raise dungeon exp because that'll lead to too much of a power creep.

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I'm guessing for another tank class? Halatali opens at lvl 20 right? And ofc que is instant as a tank, that's the main thing everyone waits for.

Yeah I figured this would be a problem when Dungeons were forced as part of the MQ. It's not surprising, really. Hopefully patch 2.1 helps with it with the incentives for the lower level dungeons.

Difference is in most other memo's your personal character story is not stuck to these low level dungeons. Can't imagine what this is going to be like for somebody new a year from now when everybody is going to be at top level whatever the cap is at that time.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

that apply to most mmorpg, the early dungeon of the game ALWAYS die. If a player join the game late, the new player will always be able to find new friends, new FC and new LS if he shout or looking for shout in main city or on the field,or pray that you ll get in.

I know there are plenty of high lvl tank & healer queue on low lvl dungeon to help ppl sometime but not all the time.

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while leveling my GLA i noticed that queues for the first three story dungeons were really long even as a tank. i'm talking about 45min+ ...
this just doesn't seem right to me at all.

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Originally Posted by kollwitz

while leveling my GLA i noticed that queues for the first three story dungeons were really long even as a tank. i'm talking about 45min+ ...
this just doesn't seem right to me at all.

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How would you propose to force others who are past this point in the game to queue up? The problem isn't the queue - when no one else is trying to get in that dungeon then it will be a long time. it is always best to go at it with a premade group. Even when someone is new they can shout for help and there are people who will help.

If his friend is new then he should help his friend out with queue'ing up with him while teaching him how to shout for help. heck..he could even tell him to queue up as his main class then switch over to e DoH / DoL and level that until he gets in.

This is only an issue because the dungeons/primals are required to advanced the main quest. This was a horrible design decision.

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Originally Posted by Alquamire

Might be because you're playing on a legacy server. Your folks were mostly endgame-ready when ARR hit, and according to a friend legacy characters can't even do the new story?

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This is irrelevant with DF. DF mix you up with people from all the other servers in the same data center.

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Originally Posted by Roaminggnome

Difference is in most other memo's your personal character story is not stuck to these low level dungeons. Can't imagine what this is going to be like for somebody new a year from now when everybody is going to be at top level whatever the cap is at that time.

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I can imagine that in a year the party requirement for the beginner dungeons would be changed to 2-4 party members

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Originally Posted by gelectrode

So my friend wants to play ffxiv, great. he gets the game and is now level 20 and is trying to do probably pirates. So he is in Q for 4 hours and cant get a group. Then it hits me, i cant run him though by my self and there is no reason for anyone pass this quest to ever run it again since fate spamming is so much better. No one is making more chars other then there 1 because there is almost no need.

So what now, my friend is ok because i can hook him up with 2 more people to help but how does a brand new player with no friends on a server do anything with this game at this point?

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FATES are better yes. I, however, hate them. I run dungeons quite frequently on my alt classes. What I do is make things with my GSM, put them on the market, log out in an in go to sleep for 5-6 hours.Then, wake up and set the DF to the first 3 dungeons to level my THM until I run out of bonus XP. Rinse and repeat. I can't be the only one. No way.

Longest Q for dungeons I've seen is 35min. I'd rather fate grind in between story dungeons.

Dunno if it's been mentioned, but in the upper right corner of the Duty Finder make sure you've got all 4 languages checked. That helps to get parties faster.

DD classes will always have a long wait for dungeons, nature of the beast. There are people out there who prefer to run dungeons rather than FATE grind, just have to find them. Shouting for a group might work.

I just did Sastasha last night after waiting 20 mins on pugilist. Try to run it during a time of day when a lot of people are on, you might have better luck.