Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

I've had two undeniably legitimate uses of Rescue this week: once in Bismarck Normal and once in LotA, all.on apparent newbies.

In Bismarck, there were at least four newbies to the trial, and four of them were the DPS players. I had to rescue a stray BLM onto Bismarck's back due to the player not realizing you need the Whaleback status to deal damage to Bismarck. They were probably about to go off on me til I explained it. There was also a misfortune-laced healer LB3 during it before a wipe (Bismarck destroyed the island) but once everyone knew what to do we made it through just fine.

In LotA, things were a little wacky in the three corridor boss arena. My alliance, C, had only 5 members before someone from the other alliances started the fight. One of the DRG in the party (the other was with another group) strated off the pad, leaving us with three on the pad. As soon as I noticed, I Rescued them back to the pad where they belonged. We did wipe, but to Ancient Flare and not corridor boss. Fun times all around.

So, today I learned that when the iron giants come out in the Atomos room in LotA because some dipstick pulled early, their cleave attack can reach through the boss room barriers to kill you.

Learn from my mistake. Gloat from the top of the stairs instead.

Well looks like I have another tale to share already! And what a surprise it's on my alt again!

Don Mheg
On my NIN just got to this point in the story, queued up for the dungeon and surprisingly it pops within 5 minutes. Upon getting in, we have a DRK, a AST, and a sprout BRD. BRD immediately starts with "yo, follow me, stay behind me." Odd, but whatever. We go through the first few packs with the DRK pulling single packs and me going through my AoEs and using my mudras. The BRD rushes ahead after every pack to pull the mobs first before the DRK and the DRK picks them up without a problem. Everything seems fine.

Then we reach the first boss, go through my opening with Trick Attack and proceed to keep using my mudras and combos as usual, we don't wipe but the BRD proceeds to say "use all your power ups, see if they work together, every 1 use 1". Well we were taking the boss down fine without the BRD's input, and I retain number 2 on the aggro list throughout the dungeon so it's whatever.

We reach the second boss, with the BRD dying to a pack pull beforehand and hoo boy, this irritated me. The BRD ignored mechanics the first two tries, and said after we wiped the second time, "u know u need to power up ur abilities, don't use cds without potency"... What? Do you even know why we wiped? It was because YOU can't bother with standing in front of the lines to the boss, and I need to use my mudras to be able to do some damage as NIN. I didn't respond though, but to say the least I was infuriated the whole time.

BRD also failed a few mechanics on the last boss as well despite the DRK saying what to do.. sigh, sometimes I don't like queuing for dungeons anymore.

Edit; Also the BRD proceeded to type "big dmg" during every boss fight, repeatedly and typed "no dmg, wow" whenever we wiped on the second boss because they couldn't be bothered to do mechanics... also was talking about a new mouse they got which no one else in the dungeon really cared.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So, today I learned that when the iron giants come out in the Atomos room in LotA because some dipstick pulled early, their cleave attack can reach through the boss room barriers to kill you.

Learn from my mistake. Gloat from the top of the stairs instead.

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I learned once that if you're outside of the boss room and on top of the stairs and they've been sealed off, you'll get yeeted into the A lane to get slapped by the iron giant. If there's anything to be gained from that, it's that people need to wait or SE needs to fix their Atomos lanes and put everyone into the correct lanes at the start.

I know the general rule of thumb is "be careful with what you say, people are overly-sensitive", but man, some players read malice into your words no matter how you phrase them. Even if I'm telling you not to face the boss towards the party. Because everyone is getting cleaved. If you could just ask me what I need you to do because you are unsure before snapping at me, that would be much obliged.

(I'm not worried about being reported or anything, no GM would look at what I said and go "oh, jail for you", and it's not like the tank said a slur or whatever. It was just a silly interaction.)

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I learned once that if you're outside of the boss room and on top of the stairs and they've been sealed off, you'll get yeeted into the A lane to get slapped by the iron giant. If there's anything to be gained from that, it's that people need to wait or SE needs to fix their Atomos lanes and put everyone into the correct lanes at the start.

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I really, really want them to finally do this. It's the very first alliance raid, and newbies are going to queue into it not knowing what to expect; I know I didn't. "If you walk onto the circular platform, you pull the boss and potentially lock people out of the correct lane" isn't something sprouts are going to assume, even the more observant ones. Heck, even non-sprouts forget or don't realize this. Most bosses don't aggro so far out of range.

Ravana NM for story on my Alt.

Me(Astro): "Hey Healer#2 where is your job crystal?"
Healer#2(CNJ): "Well apparently in my inventory. lol"

(SE can we please remove classes after lv30 please? Or make the job crystal a trait instead of an item?)

But the best moment was when the main tank cleaved the whole group multiple times when he ran from add to add...
Fun times.

Eden's Verse: Furor

I knew it would be painful the instant I saw every member of the group except for myself was viewing the cutscene, especially since I hadn't done the fight in a while and didn't remember the mechanics and therefore couldn't explain anything before the fight stated. There were many, many deaths. Luckily I was one of the two healers, so I was able to keep the fight going as long as I focused on keeping myself and the tanks alive and as long as I kept raising the other healer so he could raise the dps.

We were able to beat it without wiping, but I was constantly out of MP due to all the raising. The fight also took quite a while since every DPS constantly had the brink of death debuff from repeated deaths, halving their damage.

Despite all that, it was actually pretty fun.

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Originally Posted by DontReadThis

Eden's Verse: Furor

I knew it would be painful the instant I saw every member of the group except for myself was viewing the cutscene, especially since I hadn't done the fight in a while and didn't remember the mechanics and therefore couldn't explain anything before the fight stated. There were many, many deaths. Luckily I was one of the two healers, so I was able to keep the fight going as long as I focused on keeping myself and the tanks alive and as long as I kept raising the other healer so he could raise the dps.

We were able to beat it without wiping, but I was constantly out of MP due to all the raising. The fight also took quite a while since every DPS constantly had the brink of death debuff from repeated deaths, halving their damage.

Despite all that, it was actually pretty fun.

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Ah, the Day 1 patch blind run experience. The best kind of runs there is as a healer. Couldn't agree more.

I queued Trials Roulette as SCH in progress and got a 0 minute duration pop. I thought it was gonna be those usually hard or annoying duties. But I somehow got Shiva (Hard). Our team smoothly beat the boss in one attempt and I got 2 commendations in the end.

I am perplexed as to why the last healer left that duty as the instance is not too tough and it's usually cleared fast with the way players are geared. It is what it is and I guess I'll never know.

i was running susano, and got targeted by the knockback attack that turns into an aoe that covers everything but the knockback line and a stack on the person who gets knocked back. so, i'm running up the only clean part of the arena towards the rest of my party so i can stack with them... but suddenly i get rescued sideways into the aoe by one of the healers. and then i proceed to die because i both get hit by the aoe and the full force of the stack since i was so far away from everybody else. i genuinely don't know what they thought they were doing but it did not work.

EDIT: a couple other unfortunate duty finder occurrences i happened to remember:

-the time we wiped on the first boss of stone vigil like 5 or 6 times because the tank’s response to the boss’s cone aoe that inflicts burn was to just… stand in it. every time. (i felt so bad for our healer…)

-the time during final steps of faith where the same player got the stack marker twice in a row… and then died both times because their response to being marked was to run away from everybody else. (i tried my best to catch up to them, i swear!)

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

I queued Trials Roulette as SCH in progress and got a 0 minute duration pop. I thought it was gonna be those usually hard or annoying duties. But I somehow got Shiva (Hard). Our team smoothly beat the boss in one attempt and I got 2 commendations in the end.

I am perplexed as to why the last healer left that duty as the instance is not too tough and it's usually cleared fast with the way players are geared. It is what it is and I guess I'll never know.

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Had a friend once that had problems with how the shiva arena looks. Like all the blue and white colours. She said it would hurt her eyes.

Or that cotank i had a long time ago in the nidhogg trial. He simply said he doesnt like fighting dragons and than fake dc'ed.

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Originally Posted by Hausti

Or that cotank i had a long time ago in the nidhogg trial. He simply said he doesnt like fighting dragons and than fake dc'ed.

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While possible he meant what fighting dragons in this game is like, or the specific battles with dragons he's done, I choose to believe he is just a man who loves dragons so much he cannot bear to harm them.

But also cannot bear to take a penalty.

A bit of a silly one. Not gonna go into too much detail.
Eden Furor. Loads of newbies. Me on scholar (my burger king emblem is off, besides 'o/' I wasn't speaking as I do tend to stay silent and see how things unfold before I hand out my advice).

At some point, I have noticed a few people following me. Nin was so keen that when I had a blue aoe line on me (and the rest of his tribe learned to dodge it by then) he stood by me as well. RIP. XD Made me laugh.
/pet

(multiple deaths but we cleared with no wipes so WIN in my book)

A recent leveling roulette run I had just reminded my of the first time I tried tanking Bardam's Mettle.

I was just a warrior still in level 60 tomestone gear, inexperienced, and still a sprout. Everyone else in my party was a sprout too!
I proceeded to pull everything, unaware of the mob difficulty spike, until I had pulled all the things to the door. It went exactly as well as you can imagine.

That moment when you are doing SoS on an alt for their clear as a whm, get propped up by your fc mates who came in as your co-healer and two tanks, pass the checkpoint and get stacked up on by one of the smn in your party with Earthshaker because they mistook it for a stack marker...I'm dead while smn lived.

Then shortly after get raised...right into the lb2 stack marker with too few in it, with Transcendence wearing off too soon.

/WHMfeels

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

That moment when you are doing SoS on an alt for their clear as a whm, get propped up by your fc mates who came in as your co-healer and two tanks, pass the checkpoint and get stacked up on by one of the smn in your party with Earthshaker because they mistook it for a stack marker...I'm dead while smn lived.

Then shortly after get raised...right into the lb2 stack marker with too few in it, with Transcendence wearing off too soon.

/WHMfeels

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On the plus side that is better than stacking 2 stack markers together. Had that happen the other week. Just thinking about it makes my body hurt.

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Originally Posted by sakkito

Nin was so keen that when I had a blue aoe line on me (and the rest of his tribe learned to dodge it by then) he stood by me as well. RIP. XD Made me laugh.
/pet

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Awww.. they trusted you..


But LOL

I've been watching the healer spam adlo on me while running Anamnesis Anyder at 80%, but I was a WAR and I was just... T__T I couldn't even use half of my healing kit without it turning into overheal.

The rare occasions they put an Excog on me was wasted because they would just heal it with more adlos/lustrates or my mitigations and Nascent Flash would just heal that damage off later. I don't think they used Seraph at all in that instance. Poor ninja who was new to the instance was dying a couple of times since he didn't understand the mechanics. I tried to help him out with Nascent Flash, Reprisal, and Shake it off whenever I can but it wasn't enough since he ends up eating all the AoEs. A shame that healer didn't pay them more attention than me, lol.

On the last boss, I think everyone pretty much failed the step and prevent adds from popping up mechanic check other than me. Thankfully, even with 2 DPS with weakness debuff, it's still easy enough to recover since there's no real punishing mechanic there.

From here on I am just not going to help people...
DRG lvl 79 spent whole dungeon in Mt. Gulg camping rear not moving an inch, I thought he was new and had boosted or something and ignored to read abilities ( I never said that tho ) and asked him if he wasn't doing positionals or if I was blind ( I am not, I pay attention ).
He ignores me.
I ask again and he ignores me.

Healer dies at second boss and he says something like '' where is healer? '' and I go '' so you do speak afterall ''.
So he asks me if I had asked a question and I bring it up again, and there's a humongous afk:like pause as if he's thinking about what to say for forever before saying '' true north '' ( keep in mind that he doesn't move an inch for the whole fights ).
I mention that I was talking about the whole fight and that true north only lasts for a short while and he flips out at me and becomes really rude as if I had committed a crime against humanity.
Tank seems confused and doesn't know how things work too and defends him by bringing up true north again.

I point out that I am just trying to help and was a bit irritated that he had ignored me ( referring to the speak comment before ).
And he flips out again about how he's irritated that I am telling him what to do...
I say that I am not a mind reader I don't know if he's new and have boosted and am just trying to help which makes him even angrier lol....

I dunno what it is with some people, if you don't want to do positionals and just want to play that way I am not trying to tell you what to do.
People need to stop reacting to people trying to help as if it's a personal attack.
Either they get really mad, ignore you or they blatantly lie to your face about having read guides when I know for a fact that they haven't.

I had an earlier case that was similar in a Nier raid before where a SAM was standing on top of me constantly when I was tanking ( again no positionals, and he was dying repeatedly from the tank buster aoe ).
When I pointed it out he seem'd grateful but the rest of the raid flipped out on his behalf and acted like I was publically shaming him and as if I had called him garbage etc which I absolutely didn't...
It feels like any time you try and help someone and it's gameplay related people lose their minds and act like you're calling them trash or are trying to FORCE them to play one way.
The worst part is that the SAM then seem'd to have ignored my advice and kept making the same mistakes, maybe because he thought since the raid flipped out on me I was the one being wrong and he shouldn't listen to me.
So yeah, great job guys...

I mean if you're lvl 79 or 80 and you don't know or don't bother with positionals I am honestly worried about you, I am trying to help out of concern but people just get mad it's so tiresome.

Edit: Ingame I try and sugarcoat it as much as possible on purpose as to not upset people, that's what makes it even more baffling to me.
There's like no way to try and help people, sometimes people don't even know that they're doing something wrong and needs someone to point it out to them.
ONLY helping when people ask for help is not actually all that helpful sometimes.

Finally! After all this years in FF i found Ice Mage! He used only Blizzard III, IV and Foul all his way through Amaurot. I'm happy!

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Originally Posted by Alargo

Finally! After all this years in FF i found Ice Mage! He used only Blizzard III, IV and Foul all his way through Amaurot. I'm happy!

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Plot twist, it was you all along?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

He ignores me.
I ask again and he ignores me.

Healer dies at second boss and he says something like '' where is healer? '' and I go '' so you do speak afterall ''.

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I would’ve stopped after he ignored me the first time, it’s apparent they either don’t care or aren’t paying attention or a combination of both. Then you stoked the fire by being snarky.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

I would’ve stopped after he ignored me the first time, it’s apparent they either don’t care or aren’t paying attention or a combination of both. Then you stoked the fire by being snarky.

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Well I didn't know if he was actually ignoring me or not until the second time because not a lot of time passed ( also loot rolls took up screen ).
I only realized he was ignoring me after the second time.

I think that flipping out because I was a tiny bit snarky is pretty unjustified.
I mean my standards for rudeness etc are fairly low, but I see that as more tongue-in-cheek it wasn't aggressive at all.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

On the plus side that is better than stacking 2 stack markers together. Had that happen the other week. Just thinking about it makes my body hurt.

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What's worse is that my Bene was already on cooldown because I had to save someone else earlier. D:

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Plot twist, it was you all along?

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No, i was a floor tank!

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I had an earlier case that was similar in a Nier raid before where a SAM was standing on top of me constantly when I was tanking ( again no positionals, and he was dying repeatedly from the tank buster aoe ).
When I pointed it out he seem'd grateful but the rest of the raid flipped out on his behalf and acted like I was publically shaming him and as if I had called him garbage etc which I absolutely didn't...
It feels like any time you try and help someone and it's gameplay related people lose their minds and act like you're calling them trash or are trying to FORCE them to play one way.
The worst part is that the SAM then seem'd to have ignored my advice and kept making the same mistakes, maybe because he thought since the raid flipped out on me I was the one being wrong and he shouldn't listen to me.
So yeah, great job guys...

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GCBTW, it's always fine to insult and be toxic against toxic players like you :^)
or if you disagree, after all - we're a nice and welcoming community!

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Originally Posted by ForctyusGold

well i dont know if it was possible. but if i wasnt a healer it might happen, a wipe in Toto-Rak. i mean when you tell tank to use aoe or anything or just watch when there are more then one enemy to look if enmity is on you and not on dps or heal. or telling them at final boss to attack tail or anything and not having that green puddle all over the area... this game seriously need some gating, like you will not be able to join any roulette or duty without doing Hall of the Novice, which could be upgraded because current desing is bad i think. more to actually teach you how to play. i dont mean single pulls but if you see your party is capable of bigger and youre in Ala Mhigo, you should know what this game offer when bigger pulls . or healer not knowing there is esuna . the worst thing nobody responded when i told them something or actually when they asked they didnt wait /did it wrong anyway. people really should more care about how they are playing.

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will be cool if hall of novice teached about basic MARKS , stack , spread , knockback ect

I've been trying to get clear parties going for a few friends who know most of E4S at this point so they can start farming. We only managed to get 1 clear party and then people left after they got their loot. The biggest headache I keep running into is apparently recruiting people who don't understand that a PF labelled as "Duty Completion" or "Loot" does not mean "Wait I'm not ready, watching a guide atm" at ready check. One even messaged me "Hey I have no savage experience, can I join".

I have zero issues with people w/o raid experience joining. But that's what practice parties are for. :(

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

GCBTW, it's always fine to insult and be toxic against toxic players like you :^)
or if you disagree, after all - we're a nice and welcoming community!

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Well I think this is a larger issue with a lot of people in general not being capable of understanding context or looking at things from a broader perspective, everything is looked at from the most shallow way.
So if someone makes literally any comment that has anything to do with even trying to entertain the idea of helping other players with anything gameplay related they're not capable of understanding that it's different than someone trying to tell you or force you how to play.
I am not a freaking mind reader, I have no clue if someone is intentionally not playing correctly or if they're actually a bit lost and need help ( nor do I know for a fact if someone is ignoring me or if they missed it unless I try again, nor do I know that they'll have an extreme overreaction to even a hint of a joke that might be dry or snarky ).
To me just sitting there and letting someone get hit by the tank buster three times in a row and then continue doing it is being the bad one ( not to mention hitting the boss from the front as SAM ), I think I'd be the bad person for being quiet about it and not even attempting to help.

But these people genuinely don't seem to understand that me saying something in that situation is different than me telling someone that they suck at the game and should feel bad about it because they missed a positional or whatever.
It's a minority of people but they're out there, not just in FFXIV but I think that people who just aren't capable of dealing with nuance are a thing at large.
It's the same with other things too, '' you like this content therefore you're this kind of a person '' when in reality they're just projecting how they view it and their personal opinion unto everyone else.
There's a lot of people that unironically don't understand nuance with anything.

Edit: It's the same with me being snarky in the situation I mentioned.
There is a huge difference between someone intentionally ignoring me which I think is really passive aggressive and annoying especially in a MULTIPLAYER game, and then me being a bit snarky all like '' oh so you do have ears '' when they respond to someone else or something.
And if I in that situation would've been all like '' *name*, forgot your positionals this morning? ''.
I mean I still think it'd be silly to overreact to the second, but I still think that the two are wildly different.

If you intentionally ignore someone and they're all like '' heh, I see you '' when you respond to someone else, I really don't think that's a big deal or the same thing as trying to make snide comments essentially implying '' you suck ''.
Two different things entirely.
But it often feels like they're treated the same, and someone can literally curse me out and have a massive mental breakdown about me trying to help because of that snarky response and suddenly it's my fault.
Even if they don't want help they could just say that instead of ignoring and then having a mental breakdown about it, but nah it's always the person trying to help at fault it seems.

This is a public service announcement:

if you are VERY tired, don't q for anything and just go to bed. Especially if you are a healer. Tanks are not supposed to die to trash pulls before the first boss. Not during the first boss. Not after the first boss. And especially not wiping the party at second boss.

Thank you for listening, have a good day (or sleep).

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Well I think this is a larger issue with a lot of people in general not being capable of understanding context or looking at things from a broader perspective, everything is looked at from the most shallow way.
So if someone makes literally any comment that has anything to do with even trying to entertain the idea of helping other players with anything gameplay related they're not capable of understanding that it's different than someone trying to tell you or force you how to play.
I am not a freaking mind reader, I have no clue if someone is intentionally not playing correctly or if they're actually a bit lost and need help ( nor do I know for a fact if someone is ignoring me or if they missed it unless I try again, nor do I know that they'll have an extreme overreaction to even a hint of a joke that might be dry or snarky ).


But it often feels like they're treated the same, and someone can literally curse me out and have a massive mental breakdown about me trying to help because of that snarky response and suddenly it's my fault.
Even if they don't want help they could just say that instead of ignoring and then having a mental breakdown about it, but nah it's always the person trying to help at fault it seems.

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that's sadly how it is online nowadays, though I think everyone has been guilty of that at one point
I agree, though, since I think the reflex to defend a player that's intentionally playing bad by to grief others by parts of the community is really f-ing bad and serves as nothing but a moral grandstand by the defenders to show how virtuous they are

my first post on this forum was about exactly that, funnily enough, where someone proudly posted of having kicked a toxic RDM because they double pulled and were being toxic
that it was the first pull of bardam's mettle, where a white mage should have absolutely zero issues with a tome gear tank unless they were greeding for DPS, and that it was a lvl 80 WHM using nothing but cure 1 was conveniently not said, but because I responded in snark that they it's easy if they use the available WHM skills at that level, I was told by nice tank that a WHM doesn't have those skills at that level (which they obviously did)

Had yet another absolute waste of a DR run yesterday. 4 tanks in total, two in my party (including me) and two in another. That party had no healers. MT died on the first fight and I fell into it because I had the highest aggro, so I tanked the rest of it. My co-tank died to everything, then left after the first fight. Since we can't see other party lists I couldn't keep track, but people were slowly spilling out until I think the third fight, when we were down to just two tanks and one party was down to only two people. Since both other parties lost some we consolidated to get LB3, but we only had 2/3 of the amount of people we should have. We wiped to the enrage on the Queen's Guard fight which was already frustrating enough, and then my game crashed on the second attempt, while I was still MT. Since it was a DirectX error I had to restart my computer and by that point I was just done. Didn't even bother opening the game again.

I wish people understood that leaving because things aren't going as fast as they want hurts literally every other person in the duty. One person leaving turns into two, then three, then there literally isn't enough people to finish it, no matter what lost essences they use. Is completing the duty slower than usual really so much worse than ruining everything for the other 23 people?

Anyway, guess I'm doing 9 level 70 dungeons to finish my relic, because I can't deal with that garbage anymore. Quitters are a way greater plague on this game than anything else.

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Had yet another absolute waste of a DR run yesterday. 4 tanks in total, two in my party (including me) and two in another. That party had no healers. MT died on the first fight and I fell into it because I had the highest aggro, so I tanked the rest of it. My co-tank died to everything, then left after the first fight. Since we can't see other party lists I couldn't keep track, but people were slowly spilling out until I think the third fight, when we were down to just two tanks and one party was down to only two people. Since both other parties lost some we consolidated to get LB3, but we only had 2/3 of the amount of people we should have. We wiped to the enrage on the Queen's Guard fight which was already frustrating enough, and then my game crashed on the second attempt, while I was still MT. Since it was a DirectX error I had to restart my computer and by that point I was just done. Didn't even bother opening the game again.

I wish people understood that leaving because things aren't going as fast as they want hurts literally every other person in the duty. One person leaving turns into two, then three, then there literally isn't enough people to finish it, no matter what lost essences they use. Is completing the duty slower than usual really so much worse than ruining everything for the other 23 people?

Anyway, guess I'm doing 9 level 70 dungeons to finish my relic, because I can't deal with that garbage anymore. Quitters are a way greater plague on this game than anything else.

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I've had a couple of those runs as well and they are beyond aggravating. Although I'm knocking on wood I've yet to disconnect at such an awful time.

I wonder... Would the asian side of the game truly care about fixing dr at all? Because this needs some serious fixing/improvement.

DR definitely needs improvement. It's baffling that you can just drop at any time with absolutely no penalty, or even leave your party, yet remain in the instance and get credit for doing almost nothing. Essence use isn't rewarded and the droprate on items is still appallingly bad. I never got a mount, hair or barding after 100 runs.

I just did PF speedruns as soon as they became a thing and they were brilliant. Great fun, coordinated groups, fast painless runs and mostly nice enough people. But that's just left DF in even more of a dire state.

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Finally! After all this years in FF i found Ice Mage! He used only Blizzard III, IV and Foul all his way through Amaurot. I'm happy!

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Ice mage is not a myth. But it could be worse. I remember a couple years ago(HW era, but i couldnt tell you which patch) i was in an FC party and everyone was kinda goofin around in some dungeon. Running BLM, i was trying to steal agro from the tank as the two of us had kinda an on-going rivalry thing. Her thing was staying ahead of me(when she could), without appearing that she had to try. I dont remember what the healers goof was(maybe full-time cleric stance?). One of the FC leaders had joined as the other DPS, and decided to play an ice mage. They did this for trash up through the first boss. After the first boss they declared that they were stepping it up a notch, and would be a thunder mage for the rest of the dungeon. Thats a mage who applied one dot, watched if it proc'd, and reapplied every so often. Nothing more. It was baaaaaaaaaaad. Luckily, they got bored by like the 80% mark of the next boss, and switched to some other goof instead and we we on and finished the dungeon. Now with that said, ive never encountered a Thunder Mage in the wild. I assume this is because the playstyle would be so boring no one would stick with it long enough. Also, you get your ice and fire spells before thunder, so youd need to learn to cast something else to even unlock this mythical variant. But still, worse then ice.

Doesn't help that most ice mages don't follow the ABC's (Always Be Casting), so they actually do far worse than a decent black mage that could be goofing off.

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I've had a couple of those runs as well and they are beyond aggravating. Although I'm knocking on wood I've yet to disconnect at such an awful time.

I wonder... Would the asian side of the game truly care about fixing dr at all? Because this needs some serious fixing/improvement.

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It would be nice to have some improvements. People are always going to quit when things don't go their way, so at the very least allowing people to back-fill would solve the majority of issues. At least it would become much harder to be so short on people that you physically can't complete it.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Anyway, guess I'm doing 9 level 70 dungeons to finish my relic, because I can't deal with that garbage anymore. Quitters are a way greater plague on this game than anything else.

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Sorry to double post but, like some kind of cosmic joke, I loaded in to the first dungeon of the nine more I need to finish and the tank left. Like, fully left the party. It's just The Burn, but apparently if people get it for a roulette they just quit. They were even on my server so I thought maybe when we were done I'd message them and ask why they left, and inform them that my co-DPS was even new to the dungeon, but they were offline. I guess they just logged out because of the 30 minute penalty.

Here I was thinking I wouldn't see people leaving so quickly. They were gone before the new player was even out of the cutscene.

I think it might be time to give DF a break.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Question were they dumb? Sounds like they got a clear without having to much work. Seems like you are the one that is holding the L.

Either way good on you to recovery and finish the run.

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They were indeed dumb. After the run I considered jumping over to their server to tell them not to do that and be a smart healer, but that would've just simply invited more trouble than what it was worth.