This is a variation on a logical fallacy known as "No True Scotsman". Within the realm of Final Fantasy, Square Enix is the authority on what is and what isn't. If a class is referred to as a summoner, it's a summoner, end of story. People have unrealistic expectations that a given class will operate the same across all games, which has never been the case. However, it seems to be a lot of people misread this game as FFXI-2 and not FFXIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skaramush
If you don't think the class is "pet-focused" then go to coil without garuda out.
You're cute, sticking up for her. She's advocating for summoners to be able to summon EX primals and have AoE better than BLM. Not only is that a huge balance issue, that's never been the design of the summoner class, ever.Quote:
Also about all those snarky Troll comments if anything you are the ones who been trolling Akiza not the other way around. Should be ashamed all those snarky condensending remarks . Really grow up guys. She isnt hapy with the class so are a lot of other people suck it up and stop picking on people who happen to disagree. If it wasnt an issue we wouldnt have threads about it constantly since release.
[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?
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10-30-2014, 08:20 PMDelily
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10-31-2014, 02:39 AMAkiza
Summons are know for doing AoE spike damage in all Final Fantasy Incarnations. If Black Mage is the King of AoE The Summoner should be The God of AoE not a Red Mage dressed up like a Summoner. The Summoner should use Dark Elemental Abilities for sustained damage while the Pets are The Gods of AoE Spike Damage. The Summoner should get the ability to summon the Primal by becoming possessed by the Egi and transforming into the Primal similar to how Lady Iceheart summoned Shiva. The Summoner should get an ability to absorb the Egi and rain down death and destruction.
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10-31-2014, 02:42 AMAkizaBalance isn't a great excuse for having an uninspired design for the Summoner that lacks creativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delily
Having a Pet and Pet focused are two different things. Most of the Summoners ability centers around keeping DoTs up and enhancing DotS abilities with Fester, Bane and Shadow Flare with the occasional Pet buff or sustain.
No matter what SE says we aren't Summoner's we are DoT bots dressed up as Summoners who happen to have a Pet. -
10-31-2014, 02:59 AMBloodPactORLY? So the group of people who invented the job and named it Summoner, they are wrong. On top of this, to give it the finishing touch, you are the one who's right. You've turned this thread into a perpetual April Fools Day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akiza
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10-31-2014, 04:46 AMDelilySure, they can do AoE spike damage. But that's in the turn based console games where the pets are little more than fancy casting animations. Most of the times, all characters had access to the skill, and the MP/dmg ratio was pretty much such that you either carried around max ethers, or you just used black magic. There's a great list detailing the various roles of the summoners in all games. They were never the "godlike beings of destruction" you seem to think they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akiza
Balance, do you not understand that concept? If this was the case, there would be no reason to bring a BLM into the raid, ever. Even if the MP cost was high, you'd just have bards perma-play Mage's Ballad. Summoner are about sustained damaged, black mages are about burst. Also, not sure where you get this idea red mages are about DoTs. Even in FFXI, they were a debuff class. Outside of that, they've generally been a "jack of all trades, master of none" role.Quote:
If Black Mage is the King of AoE The Summoner should be The God of AoE not a Red Mage dressed up like a Summoner.
Hai there, I played a summoner in FFXI and a necromancer in DAoC. I know what you're referring to. I just happen to disagree.Quote:
Having a Pet and Pet focused are two different things.
No, sorry, Square calls the shots. We're summoners. Have you not paid attention to other classes like Scholars, DRKS, etc? They have changed from game to game.Quote:
Most of the Summoners ability centers around keeping DoTs up and enhancing DotS abilities with Fester, Bane and Shadow Flare with the occasional Pet buff or sustain.
No matter what SE says we aren't Summoner's we are DoT bots dressed up as Summoners who happen to have a Pet.
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10-31-2014, 05:12 AMArdanOh really? Then why does black magic always seem to do a better job? Same damage, faster, costs less MP and doesn't waste 30 seconds or a minute of my time with awesomely blinding visuals. Don't even dare bring up blatantly overpowered summons like Knights of the Round or Eden. They're they only exceptions out of many that actually do good damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akiza
And show some respect to the community that hasn't completed the latest story content. Spoiler tag your garbage posts. -
10-31-2014, 12:26 PMMimilu
Devs can you please lock this post and let it die?
Akiza is going to just keep babbling over and over again about the same things and not listen to anyone else and bring it back up once a week. -
10-31-2014, 11:12 PMAkiza
Scholar kept it's flavor because it's still a debuffer and support by using DoTS and restorative buffs.
Dark Knight still keeping it's flavor because it has high hp and physical stacks and Dark Elemental abilities
Ninja high speed low defense and hp attacks revolve around debilitating enemies by crippling them an weakening them with status effects also they have Ninjutsu and Mantras.
Summoner DoT focused revolves around enhancing DoT damage can summon a pet as extra damage
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10-31-2014, 11:59 PMDelilyAt best, the most you can say about scholar in all games is that it is a support role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akiza
It won't keep it's flavor unless it has some form of Soul Eater or Darkness - the ability to inflict damage at the expense of HP.Quote:
Dark Knight still keeping it's flavor because it has high hp and physical stacks and Dark Elemental abilities
Have you played FF6? Do ninjas in this game have the ability to Throw items? Ninjutsu typicall does more then just debuff.Quote:
Ninja high speed low defense and hp attacks revolve around debilitating enemies by crippling them an weakening them with status effects also they have Ninjutsu and Mantras.
Summoner have kept their flavor since they summon forth creatures to fight by their side.
It's amazing how single minded you are with regards to the summoner. You seem to have merged all the various versions of the summoner together, convinced yourself that is the "One True Summoner" (C)(TM), and are now upset the designers are not bending to your demands to make you some sort of godlike being in the game.Quote:
Pet should have AoE Spike Damage and the Summoner should revolve around the Pet and have summoning magic.
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11-01-2014, 12:07 AMdday3sixIf Summoner revolved around the pet, (i.e. it did most of the dps) that would open up issues with them having massive dps loss, if the pet died. I believe at one time or another Yoshi P even said as much. That is the reason why Summoner has the dot focus. Dots let them manage the pet, or rez fallen commrades with losing too much dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akiza