*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I'm surprised how many times this isn't a debate-ender with Emet-Selch, honestly. Like, it should be, and yet!

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But we supported the genocide of the ancients?

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Well, why would they do it?

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Translation: "in certain situations a genocide might be justifiable from the perspective of the perpetrator. But I am going to ignore this in the case of the Rejoinings and their underlying motive and only factor it in with the Sundering with the benefit of hindsight. I'm also going to try pretend the Sundering wasn't a genocide of the ancients because it doesn't meet some arbitrary RL standard that ill fits a fantasy setting like this one and because it doesn't fit my talking points I have on repeat to acknowledge it."

Cool.

The below put it well:

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Originally Posted by Theodric

One doesn't need to look at an organisation frequently mired in horrific scandals (such as human trafficking) for a definition of what genocide involves nor does it strike me as appropriate to attempt to gatekeep what does and does not qualify as 'genocide' in a fictional setting. To be quite honest, I'm not particularly interested in dragging real world historical events into such discussions as it is often done in a very biased and hypocritical manner, often as little more than a point scoring exercise.

At any rate, given that Venat's actions resulted in the extermination of the Ancients - and she refers to herself as the 'last of her kind' you're free to claim otherwise but as I see it her actions were very much a clear cut case of genocide.

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Also, trying to compare tallies by this point as if one set of actions were not undertaken as a corrective to another action, which she knew full well would elicit that reaction, is an exercise in pointlessness.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Translation: "in certain situations a genocide might be justifiable from the perspective of the perpetrator. But I am going to ignore this in the case of the Rejoinings and their underlying motive and only factor it in with the Sundering with the benefit of hindsight. I'm also going to try pretend the Sundering wasn't a genocide of the ancients because it doesn't meet some arbitrary RL standard that ill fits a fantasy setting like this one and because it doesn't fit my talking points I have on repeat to acknowledge it."

Cool.

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Your proposition was a resundering, but we don't know what, if anything, a sundering actually does to people that we know we only need 1/14 to be just fine.

Then let our hypothetical villain test it and see what comes of it. ;) Nothing to worry about, right?

To match that facetiousness- I'd much rather have a Sundering than a Rejoining, as there's more net life and worlds in the universe, weaker may they be.

Also, the Sundered have more interesting visuals in character design/attire and more interesting stories and settings for gameplay, so on the meta level, also.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Then let our hypothetical villain test it and see what comes of it. ;) Nothing to worry about, right?

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Sure, wouldn't particularly bother me. Constantly improving the driver (soul) but using the same car (body) seems like a bit of a wasted effort after a certain point.

So by this point, in order to defend the act of sundering, we've come to: more is always better and it's fine to destroy a species to achieve that "more".

Righto.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Sure, wouldn't particularly bother me. Constantly improving the driver (soul) but using the same car (body) seems like a bit of a wasted effort after a certain point.

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Much as it may not bother you, I've the feeling the characters on the receiving end of it might have a different opinion than you.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

To match that facetiousness- I'd much rather have a Sundering than a Rejoining, as there's more net life and worlds in the universe, weaker may they be.

Also, the Sundered have more interesting visuals in character design/attire and more interesting stories and settings for gameplay, so on the meta level, also.

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Personally i find the ancient people and ancient world far more interesting than that of the sundered ones. Especially if we’re comparing the ancient characters we meet to say…the scions. I felt far more attached to the ancients than i ever have with the scions, maybe it’s the real,complete me kicking in(azem). :p However if we’re talking a rejoining vs a sundering, a rejoining is fixing something that was once broken. A sundering is shattering something into even smaller incomplete pieces. I’d very much prefer the former than the latter.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Much as it may not bother you, I've the feeling the characters on the receiving end of it might have a different opinion than you.

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As far as I can recall, no-one notices or mentions getting extra soul in the wake of the 7th Calamity. It stands to reason they wouldn't notice it disappearing either.

Honestly, the most galling thing would probably be that this hypothetical villain, being a villain and all, didn't just ask.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

As far as I can recall, no-one notices or mentions getting extra soul in the wake of the 7th Calamity. It stands to reason they wouldn't notice it disappearing either.

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And if no one notices, no crime, right? Brilliant. All our would-be villain needs to do is make sure they don't notice it. If their lifespan happens to reduce to the point that they die in say 5-10 years, become more susceptible to disease, or they lose the power to manipulate aether altogether, as hypothetical consequences, as long as they don't notice it, no harm, no foul. All the better if someone wipes their memory of it. A veritable mercy.