Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

I don't undestand the Sylphie hate. The reason why Stillglade Fane was worried about Sylphie wasn't that she just wanted to heal people - in fact, I believe it was implied several times that her wanting to help people was a good thing - it was that she was doing it dangerously. The resolution was teaching her to draw from nature instead of just herself.

I don't think it's connected to the damage dealing debate at all, nor do I believe that is it meant to be some sort of out-of-character "warning" to players. It's a really nice way of explaining how Conjurer fundamentally works in terms of lore, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

Ways to make WHM a "pure healer" and make it useful.

1. Give the WHM reraise as a class exclusive.

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This would either be useless or overpowered. Depending on its MP cost, Cooldown, and/or cast time. Also depends on how long it lasts and would it be a "place it and forget about the tank" ability?

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

2. Allow WHMs to negate the "fall" mechanic (iE titan)

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How would this even work?

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

3. Give the WHM a group rez (think Overwatch Mercy)

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You mean like part of lv.3 LB? Kind of silly, since most people shouldn't be dying. Also would this cost all your MP? It would be hard to balance.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

4. Give cure back its damage undead/demons ability

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Either would be useless for DPS, too strong, or equal to Stone spells. Also Cure can't be used on enemies so the coding would have to be changed, and what constitutes as a "demon"? Also what FF game has had demons being damaged by Cure?

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

6. Give the WHM "Raise 2" and or/the ability to negate weakness.

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Why?

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

5. Give the WHM "Reflect"
7. Give the WHM an ability that reflects the damage back on to the mob.

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These are the same thing. Or do you not know what reflect is? Considering Protect is both Physical and Magical (now) I assume "Reflect" would reflect both as well. Because just reflecting magic is trash.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

8. Use the lilies to increase the duration of effects such as regen.

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Only thing listed I can agree with.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

9. Give the WHM an ability to improve accuracy "Aim"

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Accuracy doesn't exist anymore.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

10. Give the WHM a scan like ability that says something random like "takes extra damage from fire" or "take extra damage from flanking attacks"

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Like, as in it reduces an enemies resistance to a random element or makes them more susceptible to damage from the flank or back? At random. I don't see how this would be that good tbh.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

I don't undestand the Sylphie hate. The reason why Stillglade Fane was worried about Sylphie wasn't that she just wanted to heal people - in fact, I believe it was implied several times that her wanting to help people was a good thing - it was that she was doing it dangerously. The resolution was teaching her to draw from nature instead of just herself.

I don't think it's connected to the damage dealing debate at all, nor do I believe that is it meant to be some sort of out-of-character "warning" to players. It's a really nice way of explaining how Conjurer fundamentally works in terms of lore, nothing more.

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Because players see this quote:

http://i.imgur.com/ZWw1pnc.jpg

And meme it as part of their anti-DPS rhetoric despite there being a lore reason that if she didn't use the rest of her elements, she would die.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Are people seriously saying that the removal of Cleric stance has made is mind numbing? There was nothing complex about Cleric Stance. It was just an annoying cooldown. Gameplay for me as a WHM (ditched SCH for now) has been nothing short of amazing. In dungeons, using Aero III, Assize and Holy while being able to negate the MP cost is absolutely fantastic. In Sasuno, using Stone IV and DPSing while using Cure II and Tetra once in a while with the occassional AOE heal feels great. It's a very fluent class now and much more satisfying than Scholar. MP management is incredibly good. The way I see it, WHM is a pure healer but also the best DPS. It has fantastic capabilities of bringing so much DPS to the party. Especially with Assize and Tetra being so frequent. And even more so with Benediction being a three minute cooldown. The only thing that needs changing about WHM is the level 68 trait and give regen a chance to proc a lilly. That's it.

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The problem is, as stated before: We could do those things for 2+ years now. We got nothing new in Stormblood, and instead outright lost stuff we had before either to the new job action system or thin air, and I don't refer to the skill, which is one the few good things that came around for WHM. Our new mechanics are boring, clunky, and just plain suck, and you don't even have to look to other classes and the fantastic stuff they got to see that (I'm looking at you, AST...). Besides, AST now has the best heals (WHMs apparent niche) AND the best utility, so what is even our place in the new system? We are great in dungeons? Well, big news, we were the best dungeon healers for half an eternity by now with all the shiny AoE DPS options we have. That was never WHMs problem. The problems went unadressed for the biggest part.
Besides, I would argue most fans of the class weren't in it for the DPS... because SCH has always been better in that regard due to better MP management options. Can't really speak for others, though, so I might be wrong on that part.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

I don't undestand the Sylphie hate. The reason why Stillglade Fane was worried about Sylphie wasn't that she just wanted to heal people - in fact, I believe it was implied several times that her wanting to help people was a good thing - it was that she was doing it dangerously. The resolution was teaching her to draw from nature instead of just herself.

I don't think it's connected to the damage dealing debate at all, nor do I believe that is it meant to be some sort of out-of-character "warning" to players. It's a really nice way of explaining how Conjurer fundamentally works in terms of lore, nothing more.

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You hit the nail dead center. She's taken far out of context. Similar coincidences can be said for Edda's storyline as well. Sylphie remains one of my favorite NPCs, and I couldn't help but feel a motherly desire to take care of her. If she's back for 4.0, this makes me very happy and feels like a reunion.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You hit the nail dead center. She's taken far out of context. Similar coincidences can be said for Edda's storyline as well. Sylphie remains one of my favorite NPCs, and I couldn't help but feel a motherly desire to take care of her. If she's back for 4.0, this makes me very happy and feels like a reunion.

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I personally dislike her because she's an annoying little brat.

I am actually enjoying whm. The cool down reduction is nice.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You hit the nail dead center. She's taken far out of context. Similar coincidences can be said for Edda's storyline as well. Sylphie remains one of my favorite NPCs, and I couldn't help but feel a motherly desire to take care of her. If she's back for 4.0, this makes me very happy and feels like a reunion.

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I would beg to disagree. Sylphie says she doesn't want to do anything but healing. But that is what makes a healing class extremely boring to many players and something many WHM players don't want to see happen to their class. We want to be able to do a variety of things be it damage, buff, etc. In fact, this expansion seems to have the anti-Sylphie effect on many WHM players. Her ideals of being a heal only style are being forced on us by SE taking away any useful tools we can do other than heal and given a mechanic that only rewards you if you constantly heal using cures.

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Originally Posted by shawnaus17

I am actually enjoying whm. The cool down reduction is nice.

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I don't even notice it... ran a dungeon yesterday, could have just as well not been there. Besides, I never have Lillies for the skills I want to use them on, because all instants except for Regen and Benediction use them up. And having to spam Cures to build Lillies is just plain dumb. It's stupidly designed, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

I would beg to disagree. Sylphie says she doesn't want to do anything but healing. But that is what makes a healing class extremely boring to many players and something many WHM players don't want to see happen to their class. We want to be able to do a variety of things be it damage, buff, etc. In fact, this expansion seems to have the anti-Sylphie effect on many WHM players. Her ideals of being a heal only style are being forced on us by SE taking away any useful tools we can do other than heal and given a mechanic that only rewards you if you constantly heal using cures.

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Did most CNJs in this game just stop paying attention to the questline as soon as she says those words? Do they not see that her storyline has everything to do with CNJ lore, and NOTHING to do with the meta. Even if you want to go there, did you forget that she eventually gets past her own barriers and sees the benefit of casting offensive spells when protecting others?

And who is this "we" want to do a variety of things? What suddenly happened to all the lazy healers that refused to DPS and do anything but heal? Were they strawmen this entire time? Point being that this community is so diverse. A lot of players do enjoy bringing damage as a healer, others would prefer they have more restorative and support abilities and find that enjoyable. What do you do as a game designer to appease all audiences? Do you have that answer?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

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What are you even rambling about? Are there healers who just want to heal? Sure, I'm sure there are. There wouldn't be threads debating on the requirements of healers dpsing if there weren't. But why should any class be limited to just one basic thing especially since so many other jobs offer such variety? Are you honestly opposed to having a variety of things to do? I don't really understand why you are so hostile to the idea. WHM has been grossly oversimplified with the removal of the few buffs it had and the devs refusal to give us any. There are many people who would like that too, there's over 300 pages of suggestions in this thread. I don't understand how you could not understand who I am referring to by "we". Especially since it was explicitly stated in the quote you replied to; including myself among those WHMs who don't want to see our job turned into a heal bot.

Sylphie may have overcome her barriers and wanted to buff and cast shields, but now what? Stoneskin was taken, Protect isn't a whm/cnj ability anymore. The only non-healing buff (assuming you count regen as a buff) our job (emphasis because Protect is now a role ability) gets now that can be cast on others is Divine Benison and that comes at level 66 (it really does kinda suck, btw. Especially for soloing. It's meh for tanks). If SE wants to break down the gap and give healers more choices and make them willing to do more than just heal, they should give more variety, not take it away. If anything, I feel they have just widened the gap for white mages instead of narrowed it. You can really feel the difference in Susano and Lakshmi if you have 2WHM vs. WHM/AST or WHM/SCH. (I can't comment on AST/AST or AST/SCH as I have not been in said instances yet as those jobs) and let me tell you, those fights go amazingly better without the second white mage.

Okay Plenary Indulgence is complete trash lol. The main reason why is the proc chance is just way way too low.

All Confession Stacks get used upon use, and it's only on the party members that have the stacks. But in reality, good luck managing to even get 1 stack. I usually have to use 7+ heals to just get 1. Why even have a 3 stack option when getting 3 stacks on 1 person is practically impossible. Just insulting.

My one guess is, it refreshes the 30 second timer when a new stack is applied. but I have yet to achieve this.

These were some ideas I was thinking of. Hopefully it will be able to cover AoE Healing and not just Single Target. I am also trying to cover the White Mage Damage to fit in with lilies.

- All DoT and HoT ticks from the White Mage's Spells will proc a lily with an internal cooldown of maybe 20 - 30 seconds
- All Direct Healing and Damage from the White Mage's Spells will proc a lily with an internal cooldown of maybe 10 - 15 seconds
- Add a new effect to a single target and AoE spell that spends 2 lilies. Raise the players' Original Maximum Health and increase the caster's healing done to them to match the same relative percent of maximum health the heals did before.
- Add a few damage spells that consume 2 lilies.
- Earthquake can behave like Ninja's Doton with debuffs like heavy and damage decreases of 1 - 5%.
- Tornado can do burst damage with a DoT on all enemies hit for 30 - 60 seconds.
- Tsunami can nuke to function as a "filler" with Tornado or adds that die too fast

Did some of the level 60 Heavensward dungeons now in Stormblood early access. It's nice with reduced cooldowns and such, but I'm noticing on a lot of the tank/party busters that the ability to shield people reliably would be very very helpful, and quite frankly I miss being able to do that.

One of the most annoying changes in Stormblood is as I expected - Divine Benison. You can not rely on it as much as you could Stoneskin. One of the changes I really hope they bring is to control WHEN we use the lilies. So many times have I used a skill that wasn't Divine Benison just for it to reset the stacks and then not being able to use Divine Benison.

Why the hell it also uses all the stacks while not providing any extra benefit I do not know. Would be nice to see higher percentages for the more amount of lilies we have. Dunno what other people think but I would like to see a skill like Chakra (for sake of debate I am going to call the skill Pray). Every time you get a Lilies you can use Pray which adds one stack. When you get another, you can use the skill again which will add another stack. Basically what it would do is convert a stack of lilies to a stack of pray.

Its only when you got a stack of pray does using the next skill lowers the cool down time. This at least allows us to use the benefits of Lilies when we want.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

What are you even rambling about? Are there healers who just want to heal? Sure, I'm sure there are. There wouldn't be threads debating on the requirements of healers dpsing if there weren't. But why should any class be limited to just one basic thing especially since so many other jobs offer such variety? Are you honestly opposed to having a variety of things to do? I don't really understand why you are so hostile to the idea. WHM has been grossly oversimplified with the removal of the few buffs it had and the devs refusal to give us any. There are many people who would like that too, there's over 300 pages of suggestions in this thread. I don't understand how you could not understand who I am referring to by "we". Especially since it was explicitly stated in the quote you replied to; including myself among those WHMs who don't want to see our job turned into a heal bot.

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It's not that I don't understand who you refer to as "we", or that I oppose the idea of variety. It's this "we" that I feel has the problem with variety. It's this "we" that tunnel visions the entire game into endgame content as the only content that is relevant. It's this "we" who opposes any composition other than the most optimal. It's this "we" that lacks any kind of flexibility that would makes things loads easier on the devs who have the insurmountable challenge of keeping me, you, and everyone else happy in this game. Trust me, I don't feel like I'm the one being close-minded.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Sylphie may have overcome her barriers and wanted to buff and cast shields, but now what? Stoneskin was taken, Protect isn't a whm/cnj ability anymore. The only non-healing buff (assuming you count regen as a buff) our job (emphasis because Protect is now a role ability) gets now that can be cast on others is Divine Benison and that comes at level 66 (it really does kinda suck, btw. Especially for soloing. It's meh for tanks).

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In the final instance with Sylphie, she finally starts casting stone 1, and aero as well iirc. She will also heal you. In the end, she sees the benefit of casting offensive magic as a means to protect those you care for. But why gripe about them taking away stoneskin in one breath, and then in your next you bring up Divine Benison and that it sucks and it's meh for tanks? Do you see what I'm getting at here?

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

If SE wants to break down the gap and give healers more choices and make them willing to do more than just heal, they should give more variety, not take it away. If anything, I feel they have just widened the gap for white mages instead of narrowed it. You can really feel the difference in Susano and Lakshmi if you have 2WHM vs. WHM/AST or WHM/SCH. (I can't comment on AST/AST or AST/SCH as I have not been in said instances yet as those jobs) and let me tell you, those fights go amazingly better without the second white mage.

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I'm sure it does. There's no question that AST is currently on top of the hill. As much as they've been buffed, I'd be throwing all kinds of question marks at you if you said anything different.

Well, I've tried, but the Lily mechanics are garbage. DB evaporates. Generating Lilys with another healer in the group is difficult at best, and completely distracts for doing useful things.

They could remove Lily's and Confessions and we wouldn't notice. We'd likely perform better as a result, too.

That's what they should do, frankly. Remove Lily's, Confessions, Divine Benison, and Plenary. Reduce the CDs on Assize, Tetra, and Asylum by 10%. Give Regen and Medica2 another tick or two. Give Aeros and Stone4 another 5 or 10 potency respectively. Now we're passive heals with oGCD top offs and a DPS focus... As they designed, intentionally or no.

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Originally Posted by Kethic

Well, I've tried, but the Lily mechanics are garbage. DB evaporates. Generating Lilys with another healer in the group is difficult at best, and completely distracts for doing useful things.

They could remove Lily's and Confessions and we wouldn't notice. We'd likely perform better as a result, too.

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I strongly agree with the bold. I took my WHM into a couple lv 60 dungeons, but also went into the Aery and the Vault which have always had me healing more than other dungeons. While I didn't let trying to sync my ogcds with the lilies distract my gameplay, I could easily see how they could be if a WHM holds on to them trying to get lilies to stack. In its current state, it would actually almost be best if WHM removed their lily gauge entirely. However the audible cues also make it pretty obvious that you have just acquired a lily, especially all three.

I don't think the lily mechanic is garbage, but it needs more to bring it around, both in power given to the WHM, as well as adjustments to its current state. I think it has the potential to be really something, but it needs some reworking. I am still on the outside looking in when it comes to the confession mechanic, but from this view, I still don't see how it brings anything valuable to a WHM because of all the damn gates. There is just no way we will ever see it's full power even under the most optimal of circumstances because of the way it is set up.

So after 3 days in the early access, I've had a chance to try whm out (whm is my main). Overall i've liked it, and still love whm. But i agree with much of what people are saying.

first of all, the spells really do look pretty gorgeous.

I've been thinking and reading all about what can be done. I'll first offer my suggestion than explain how this can hopefully relieve a lot of the issues with whm currently.

My suggestion: add 1 skill, that does 3 things.

1.) it instantly accumulates 3 lily stacks.
2.) adds 1 stack of confessions on each party memeber within range.
3.) increases attack speed (skill, spell, auto-attack) to all party members within range. i'm just throwing a percentage out there either 5% or 10% (probably more like 10%+)

it would be instant cast, and maybe have a cooldown of 2 mins or so. (i'm just throwing these numbers out there.)

reasons this helps whm: (the post was too long >.< so i'm posting the second half right after)

1.) it allows players to strategically gain a stack of lilies without the need of using cure 1 or 2. Also, it allows a whm to prepare PRE-battle. I've found while playing its super frustrating not being able to get your stacks while not in battle. I find myself going out and getting hit by enemies just to add stacks. This would help a whm prepare before raid content. I find lilies for the most part fun to decide in the heat of battle which skill to use when and what i might need a quicker cooldown on. i feel this would help and even more strategy in how a whm plays.
2.) adding a confession stack of 1 to each player in the party relieves the need of whm healers constantly stressing about who has confessions and who doesn't. It allows plenary indulgence to be an accessible instant cast aoe heal without healers obsessively using cure 1 and cure 2 on all players. It retains the use of plenary indulgence, and making it more accessible while not making it overpowered.
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3.) a lot of people are constantly speaking about how whm has a lack of utility. i agree with the idea of whm being a pure healer, but in this case adding a slight boost in attack speed for all players in the party would help whm have a bit more utility. This lets whm healers have a little something more to offer than just healing in end game raids.
4.) we have seen that whm is definitely lacking in the number of skill it has, adding a skill such as this^^ helps that issue.

i feel adding such a skill would be fairly easy, solve many of the issues with whm, and add some strategy/extra utility to whm. Keep in mind this skill itself doesn't take away everything that SE has done with whm so far. It keeps all the mechanics of each skill as they are, and making them more accessible. (although they can still be tweaked and adjusted as well of course)

in terms of lore, themes of growth or grace, (natural or divine) could fit with whm

thank you,
akira

I have yet to even get 3 lillies in a Dungeon..
I've done like 15 games of 8s, and 72mans pvp and that was the only time I got 3 lillies.. Such a bad system in PvE.

I often heal with a lot of cure and cure 2 in a dungeon when it's new to me and there were a large amount of times when I had nothing to spend lillies on. I don't have divine benison yet so that will probably change.

Lillies really need to proc off of more skills. Why not proc off of stone and/or holy? At least at a low rate?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

In the final instance with Sylphie, she finally starts casting stone 1, and aero as well iirc. She will also heal you. In the end, she sees the benefit of casting offensive magic as a means to protect those you care for. But why gripe about them taking away stoneskin in one breath, and then in your next you bring up Divine Benison and that it sucks and it's meh for tanks? Do you see what I'm getting at here?

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Because Stoneskin was actually better. You can cast it any time you want, as often as you want, and it would last for 30 minutes and absorb a hit or two. Divine Benison lasts for fifteen seconds so you can barely use it to shield yourself before you pull something when soloing and you certainly can't use it to give your whole party a little buffer to help mitigate some of the damage they take in a dungeon/trial.

@Akira

welcome to the forums :3 just wanna give ya a small offtopic hint - you can workaround the 1k charactercap by editing your posts :o

Oh and i like your sig somehow <3

You could remove the lilies and I wouldn't notice at all.

You could remove plenary indulgence and I wouldn't notice at all.

That's how bad WHM it is.

This Air is really good though.

Of course, we're all playing for the top-end game. So, from what I've seen, don't roll a white mage since the AST is so superior as to make the WHM undesirable by other players requiring a healer.

On another note; the rule is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." All the hours gone into the "one-of-a-kind" FFXIV system that was just replaced...also figured into paid game time (real money, honey) only to be thrown over the side for some pie-in-the-sky philosophical notion of improvement. This is short-sighted beyond belief. I read all the sweeping generalities of "what we're going to do is..." Unfortunately, the application of these pipe dreams was Epic Fail.

Now, I'm supposed to learn the NEW FFXIV!! (Waytaminnit...this WAS the NEW FFXIV!!!) You've managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory....Try some enlightened self-interest uh...Yoshi is it?

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I read all the sweeping generalities of "what we're going to do is..." Unfortunately, the application of these pipe dreams was Epic Fail.

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I had really high hopes for the cross role system myself. I still feel like, had they approached it differently, it could have really saved WHM. Instead... it was used to strip WHM even more.

Just finished the MSQ and some of my thoughts on the new system are that it really shines in 4-man dungeons. As in, you really get to utilize it there; not so much the trials. If the tank pulls a bunch of mobs, then you really get to use the lily system with spams of cures. I can usually generate plenty of lillies to consider utilizing them. In 8 mans, I just don't really use cure 1 or 2 that often. I mostly rely on both medicas, azzize, asylum, and renew. I might generate 1 or 2 lilies total in a trial but no where near enough for me to consider them as a tool.

The guy who designed WHM abilities from 60 to 70 should be fired. I cant understand how Yoshi-P accepted this horrendous WHM progress to 70.

So yeah... just tried the last fight of the story... had 2 WHM... we failed it five times before we gave up (DF party). It's a crazy fight... it was so hard to keep everyone up without something there to give mitigation (sch/ast bubbles or something). The level 70 ability is absolutely worthless. Can't even use it in a fight like that where so much damage is constantly dished out. Maybe it'll be easier with fewer new players to the duty, but man... the HW final fight was nothing compared to this thing...

Update (Round 2): Win (1st time)

But was with a lot of vets of the fight so a lot less damage being done. No abilities to absorb/buffer damage really hurts though.

Divine Benison is a bad skill because of its flawed implementation. It is designed to be cast at one lily, but you only gain lilies when you are actively healing single target damage. You know, the thing a shield exists to prevent. Because it consumes all lilies, you cannot wait to cast it before a designated tank buster, because chances are if you have any lilies at all you're supposed to want to use them on a cooldown reduction.

It should not require lilies to cast, but instead have its cooldown reduced by the effect the same as the other OGCDs.
Also lilies are a bad mechanic. Trying to plan around them leaves you feeling stunted, and their effect is not actually all that strong. 3 lilies is the same as a card that Asts light on fire all the time, that's not a powerful effect.

Haven't gotten to play with it yet, but the biggest problem I have with Plenary Indulgence is that the chances are too low, and it's too many things piggybacking off Cure. I need to single target heal DPS people in order to maybe get stacks that can be used to AoE heal people within a certain timeline? That's just clunky and inefficient. Lillies are already working off Cure. Confessions shouldn't also work off Cure, especially not at a laughably unlikely chance.

PI should either use lillies (and ditch confessions entirely), or confessions should come from something that isn't currently already granting something else. Like, say, Regen/Medica II applications. I always thought that was a thing we were supposed to be doing, but the 4.0 design seems to be really big on "Cure for absolutely everything". The odds need to go way up as well, so you might actually ever have more than one on someone who isn't the main tank (let alone the 6 people who will usually have zero).

I was really looking forward to this expansion, but from the moment I logged in and saw the reality of all the changes, I just feel kind of...disappointed. As a WHM main since nearly the beginning of 2.0, I've loved my job, but to see it atrophy like this is just disheartening. I loved having stoneskin if only for that extra little bit of cushion at the start of a fight, but now that's gone. Skills that were native to my class have been stripped, and now I have to juggle my most important utility skills on a measly five slots? Why take away esuna and then make it take up one of those five slots? Previously, I had surecast on there simply because it was the only other semi-useful skill, even though I never used it. Now there are too many skills that I ALWAYS used and not enough space to include them. In dungeons where removing the debuff is essential you will HAVE to have it, but in cases where you don't need it, you're just making us go through the cumbersome process of switching out our abilities between fights, wasting time. Why not just do away with the limited slots and GIVE all the healing classes those abilities at designated levels? That's certainly how I perceived it was going to be in the live letters, not this halfway BS. I get the intent was to clean up our action bars to simplify our rotations, but I really don't think this was an improvement.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

So yeah... just tried the last fight of the story... had 2 WHM... we failed it five times before we gave up (DF party). It's a crazy fight... it was so hard to keep everyone up without something there to give mitigation (sch/ast bubbles or something). The level 70 ability is absolutely worthless. Can't even use it in a fight like that where so much damage is constantly dished out. Maybe it'll be easier with fewer new players to the duty, but man... the HW final fight was nothing compared to this thing...

Update (Round 2): Win (1st time)

But was with a lot of vets of the fight so a lot less damage being done. No abilities to absorb/buffer damage really hurts though.

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It hurts even when you do have it. I ran with a SCH and we still couldn't keep up. We beat it on the 4th run once we finally started to learn the mechanics and damage done to players was significantly reduced. It's a fight that healers can't carry inexperienced players though.

Just got Divine Bension. Honestly I was keeping my hopes up for it, that maybe it would work really well with the Lily System and be worth using.

Not only is it weak garbage that's hit off in about 2 auto attacks or so, but it being 15 seconds means you can't even preshield between pulls. It has to be at the moment the pull starts.
And tough luck if you were saving lilies for Assize, Bension just eliminates it all, which is so odd seeing how it doesn't get any stronger at all.
It's such a clunky and unnecessary skill to deal with when every other healer has this same spell on the GCD, not locked behind layers or RNG.

I haven't even gotten confessions yet, but at this point I've lost all faith of the lily system being any good.

Having now gotten to lvl 70 now and having used all the tools, time for me to go on my own rant. Edit incoming

The good: Thin Air. This one of the few bright spots. A rather short CD given its capabilities and allows for spam of any kind. Though I'm pretty sure it was to make up for the loss of the overcure trait and the medica trait for reduced mp costs. Also the ease of dps. But those are the only good parts.

Lets start off with the lily system. It's not a detriment to the player but it isn't an asset either. Time I tried to plan it but since the lilies are immediately used up with any of the moves in the trait toolbox you really can't plan ahead with them. They're too rng and was too easily used in their current state. Next, Bension is a very weak shield. The main weakness is that it's not on demand and therefore is a person to about to take a heavy hit and you already used it on the tank, welp. There's nothing you can do about it at that point. The level 68 trait is also another nigh useless trait. You will probably never notice when it procs if it does it's a proc on a proc. Very low chance of happening.

And now the biggest disappointment of them all, the lvl 70 ability. Plenary Indulgence is too rng and and imo, rather weak. it's to the point that if someone has a stack of confession, I'm using it for the sake of using it, not for whatever its intended purpose. Well, time to wait for the raid and just how far behind the Whm falls there if the fights don't have the design of the Whm in mind.

I'll weigh in...i just hit 67 on WHM...got Divine Benison. I'm not going to say it's Bad but it is Lacking compared to stone skin. the only plus side is the instant cast...though that animation...not sure why i have to be Magical Pretty Princess for it...but...again, it's all about the fact that it's situation, where as if you could keep people up through healing in HW you could get Stoneskins up on people that got a heavy hit to hold them while you get a round of healing in.

more than this will come, but I'm not sure how this will pan out, but so far...lackluster is what i'm going to go with so far for White Mage in SB.

I can actually turn the Gauge off and it won't affect me, i can hear the little sound queues to know I have a Lily. I've also had to wonder, it says 100% on Cure 2, but i've had to quick heal a tank up and done 3, gotten 2 lilies, i don't know if it's server latency or not, but...that was a concern i had.

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Originally Posted by Neela

@Akira

welcome to the forums :3 just wanna give ya a small offtopic hint - you can workaround the 1k charactercap by editing your posts :o

Oh and i like your sig somehow <3

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Thank you so much! i'll remember that,

and nice i'm glad you like it ^.^ first person to ever comment on it, in game or out.

Some more thoughts on whm changes. I wrote a suggestion for another added skill, these are some other suggestions running through my head, mayhap some will find them inspiring or to think on what may be the best approach to whm.

I've been playing PVP whm and honestly i think it works pretty good:

1.) add stoneskin back as a "pvp protect" style skill. pvp protect on whm reduces damage on the target by 25% (?) for some amount of time, instant cast. i mean it would be useful in pve no? this could be stoneskin in pve and since divine benison is a thing this would work well.
2.) up percentage of shield on divine benison. I say *at least* 25% as it is in pvp.
3.) up the reduction of OGC by lilies. pvp goes up to 50% i don't see why this can't be a thing in pve as well.
3.) just make plenary indulgence affect the whole party with or without a confession stack. So if you have 0 confessions stacks on you, maybe like 300 potency or less even just so it does *something* then gaining stacks just increases the potency.

i've noticed that it seems dungeons and trials have been more heal intensive. so i'm guessing that is what SE had in mind while making whm, and it guess it makes sense, but still needs a buff i think.