Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Even as early as A1S launch, I can't imagine a single static in all of FFXIV that looked at their MNK and said "nope, you don't bring enough to the table."

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Of course not, in fact prior to people getting their Esoteric weapons almost everyone but the World First raiding statics had problems with their DPS numbers against Savage Faust. Faust has roughly 970k HP with a 2:30 minute enrage timer. His Increased Pressure 16 stack attack ignores Hollowed Hallowed Ground, Holmgang, and Living Dead meaning you can't buy an extra 6 or 10 seconds. The raid group needed total of 6400 DPS an that's not counting accidental AOE damage from adds and a lot statics couldn't even break 4k DPS in 150 seconds. Savage Faust caused a lot statics to either break up or rethink their strategy like having everyone who main a Paladin to reroll to Dark Knight for extra DPS.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

That's not the point I was trying to make nor do I believe it was the point that Almalexia was making either. Here in the last couple weeks there's been a lot of "sky is falling" posts and attitudes which just weren't warranted. Monks weren't in some dire situation of the entire population jumping ship. I'm in full agreement SE should strive for balance, and generally they do a pretty good job there compared to what you see in many games. Many of us also agree that the buff focus on utility would have been preferred over a flat DPS increase.

Outside of the groups pushing the bleeding edge of content as it's released generally aren't going to force anyone to change jobs or roles as some people try to have others believe. The level of exaggeration recently has been a bit much for a lot of the job roles.

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The reason it has become such big deal, is because PLD are behind DRK in DPS too, so if you went with DRK-NIN, you would actually gain a sizable amount of DPS over bringing PLD-MNK. Even groups that aren't world first groups would like to get that bonus DPS, because while it isn't technically needed for them, they probably aren't getting those DPS numbers that the best groups get... So for them, it would still be a challenge to get the required DPS for a fight, which a DRK-NIN composition could help with.

The difference between MNK and DRG was pretty big though... because, even with this buff to MNK, DRG are untouchable at the top. DRG are still up there on DPS, just slightly behind MNK, but if you add Disembowel debuff and Litany, DRG comes out on top any day of the week. So the buff was very much needed, and even now, MNK could use some utility to go with what we have, maybe some synergy with PLD, to make PLD more popular too. (Not saying NIN doesn't need any buff then too)

Also, I think some players overreacting to the buff too... It was a pretty small increase in damage, but some players make it seem like it was a huge increase. If you did 1300 on a dummy before, you should be doing somewhere around 1330 now. If you get any higher numbers that I've seen flying around, then you're doing something different to what you did pre-3.07, or you have different gear or something. EDIT: So in other words, around 2.3% increase in DPS, not even 3%

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

Through our couple years of involvement with the monk community I think you (though you had a long absence), Almalexia, and myself have been here longer than most and we all generally are on the same page.

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Yea, that's true. I generally have agreed with both of you, but that's been the case since early on too.
I'm surprised you remember me though, since I have been gone quite a while.

But on the point before, I will say that the MNK community is still much better than the NIN one.
There are a few 'sky is falling' posts here, but that comprises 90% NIN discussions even though they're in a better position.
At least most arguments/discussion here are on theorycrafting rather than viability.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

Outside of the groups pushing the bleeding edge of content as it's released generally aren't going to force anyone to change jobs or roles as some people try to have others believe. The level of exaggeration recently has been a bit much for a lot of the job roles.

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That usually varies from server to server. Some statics don't really care as long as they got 2 different Melee DPS, a Caster DPS, and Ranged Support DPS in their group. Other's like Munchkins or Powergamers for example will go for what's logically the most optimal party combination for the path of least resistance which unfortunately is also used by the World First clear groups.

Any decent group would not have gotten stuck on faust to the point where they needed to actually switch their composition. Honestly, I don't think any decent group would have wiped too faust more than the first day.

If it comes to that point, its not the job composition, its the abilities of the players thats holding the group back.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

Any decent group would not have gotten stuck on faust to the point where they needed to actually switch their composition. Honestly, I don't think any decent group would have wiped too faust more than the first day.

If it comes to that point, its not the job composition, its the abilities of the players thats holding the group back.

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I agree completely with this.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

The reason it has become such big deal, is because PLD are behind DRK ....

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While I agree with your post, a lot of people have to realize that no one (or very few) says "XX of that brds dps is mine" as a drg. A lot of Drgs only post their generated numbers, because that's what they have direct control over. Battle littany would be even harder to calculate since you don't know if you would have crit anyways or not, since it's really just increased crit chance.

Same goes for nin with TA, or mnk with dk/mantra.

I agree with quite a few posters that mnk should have gotten some synergy with one of the new jobs instead (example: drk debuff should have applied blunt resistance down or 1 ilm punch give some kind of magic resitance down or something) of a flat damage increase.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

Any decent group would not have gotten stuck on faust to the point where they needed to actually switch their composition. Honestly, I don't think any decent group would have wiped too faust more than the first day.

If it comes to that point, its not the job composition, its the abilities of the players thats holding the group back.

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Agree'd. First day of Alex savage release we got Faust down within 1 hr and a half of raiding. Our party comp: Pld / War / Nin / Mnk / Brd / Blm / Sch / Whm. Of course, being able to be flexible with compositions and having the absolute min/max composition does help. I think most ppl saw faust for more than what is really is and over-complicated things... then again, I just punch things.

On another note, I built a BIS for myself but I can't determine if I should use the Fabled Bracelet of Slaying or the Gordian Wristband of Slaying. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RGB3

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Originally Posted by Saigwa

On another note, I built a BIS for myself but I can't determine if I should use the Fabled Bracelet of Slaying or the Gordian Wristband of Slaying. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RGB3

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hmm calculating the stat weights from dervy's calculation, you get 4.83 for the Fabled bracelet of slaying and 4.928 for the Gordian wristband of slaying.