#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

In my view if something has been changed asking for the change to be reverted is disingenuous because it shits on those that may enjoy that aspect for what it is in this moment and ignores the fact that for whatever reason the change from what it was before must have happened to why it is the way it is now. Just how I was raised I guess.

Sure we don't have the data points but we do have a point in history where healers were changed from something akin to what a group of people are asking for now. That change happened for some reason we cannot deny that, and I think it is silly to pretend that change did not happen or it happened in some vacuum that holds no merit what so ever.

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You keep saying stuff like "it has to change for a reason", why? Why did it have to change? We were given absolutely not a single reason why it was changed, all we ever got was radio silence.

If the dev team has some grand plan in the making, maybe they should share it so people stop asking for changes, no?

Also it's perfectly normal to ask for what you enjoyed to come back. This is a game, games are meant to be enjoyed, if what you enjoyed is taken away from you, it's perfectly normal to ask to have it back.

Also, what irks me about your post is that you seem to place the people who enjoy the current design at a higher level of importance than those who enjoyed it before. Why did the entire role have to cater to this new design? Why did an entire segment of players have to be entirely alienated in order to satisfy these people? Are the people who enjoyed the old design meant to be treated as second-class citizens that should go pound sand?

This isn't affecting only one job like the SMN rework. This is affecting and entire role, with 4 jobs, it's perfectly viable to design all 4 to appeal to different people, I don't understand why only 1 group should be catered to? Is it because of this "grand vision" of theirs that they can't even be bothered to share with us? Or is it because they have no clue how to design healers to function in their game because they never play healers?

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Originally Posted by Aravell

You keep saying stuff like "it has to change for a reason", why? Why did it have to change? We were given absolutely not a single reason why it was changed, all we ever got was radio silence.

If the dev team has some grand plan in the making, maybe they should share it so people stop asking for changes, no?

Also it's perfectly normal to ask for what you enjoyed to come back. This is a game, games are meant to be enjoyed, if what you enjoyed is taken away from you, it's perfectly normal to ask to have it back.

Also, what irks me about your post is that you seem to place the people who enjoy the current design at a higher level of importance than those who enjoyed it before. Why did the entire role have to cater to this new design? Why did an entire segment of players have to be entirely alienated in order to satisfy these people? Are the people who enjoyed the old design meant to be treated as second-class citizens that should go pound sand?

This isn't affecting only one job like the SMN rework. This is affecting and entire role, with 4 jobs, it's perfectly viable to design all 4 to appeal to different people, I don't understand why only 1 group should be catered to? Is it because of this "grand vision" of theirs that they can't even be bothered to share with us? Or is it because they have no clue how to design healers to function in their game because they never play healers?

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See I just fail to believe the game devs just said fuck it let us just make sweeping changes for no reason. I know it may seem like that, and sure at times I also feel that way but I just cannot see that being the case it makes no sense for them to do that. Would it be nice if they gave us reasons for why they do certain things yes, but in the grand scheme the change happened the why imo is kind of moot at that point.

Because the changed happened, water under the bridge at that point. I just don't see how it is fair of me to whine and complain for something that once was to be again. If the game devs liked something for what it was they would not have changed it and leave it be for as long as they have. Idk what black magic they are using but clearly they know something we don't know and do not wish us to know as to why they are making these changes. Trust me I have a bunch of things I want back. I want more positional attacks, know I probably will not be seeing more of those. Hell I had fun with HW cleric stance even for how clunky it was, that def is not coming back. A dot based pet job sign me up, yeah that is probably also not going to happen. Aggro going back to something that was a group effort instead of just put on tank stance and forget about it, yeah good luck with that one. I guess I just don't see the point, I had my time with the class, it changed timed to move on another class or game. Let other's get a chance at enjoying it. Things change yes, and sometimes when that change happens people are left behind, but generally speaking they will be replaced by another person soon enough.

I am just a boomer, but I just don't see the point of asking for what was again. I can see the value of asking for changes that fit within the scope of their current design like with what they did with AST cards in DT. I do like them a lot more then I did EW. Still not my personal ideal but it is better.

Edit: In the end maybe I just have a different view cause I am one of those players that just plays for major updates and that is it. I have come to terms that FFXIV is not my fulltime game anymore it has gone in a different direction. I still don't see what the point was of all of this, but as I said many times I hope you guys get everything you wish and hope for. For now I am enjoying AST, and once I get my savage clear I will stop playing then come back again.

Maybe your vocal group can get the changes others have tried for 6 years.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

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At this point it is best to ignore them, I feel like they don't want to really heal.

Haven't bothered to read the 763 page essay about this but I am interested. Since Dawntrail has come out, we've had time with two EXs, dungeons and normal raids.

How do the healers who originally went on strike feel about the new content? Because when I healed them I felt satisfied. I can understand both points of view from Endwalker content but I wanna know if anyone's opinions changed or if you feel the same?

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Haven't bothered to read the 763 page essay about this but I am interested. Since Dawntrail has come out, we've had time with two EXs, dungeons and normal raids.

How do the healers who originally went on strike feel about the new content? Because when I healed them I felt satisfied. I can understand both points of view from Endwalker content but I wanna know if anyone's opinions changed or if you feel the same?

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I tanked my way through DT, wasn't really different then EW. But I am warrior so....

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Originally Posted by BunnyQueen

I tanked my way through DT, wasn't really different then EW. But I am warrior so....

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I mean yeah, warrior is another kettle of fish. But I needed a healer for every other tank. And warrior needs healers for raids. It doesn't have as much mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

How do the healers who originally went on strike feel about the new content? Because when I healed them I felt satisfied. I can understand both points of view from Endwalker content but I wanna know if anyone's opinions changed or if you feel the same?

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Not much changed. I first cleared the MSQ on BRD but I heard so many people raving on and on about how DT fixed healing and I saw the healers struggling in my ex1 clear.

So I levelled my SCH and healed every piece of DT content at least once. I still spend most of my time mashing Broil, I still don't have much of a reason to press my GCD heals, the healing requirements still aren't enough and the damage rotation is still ungodly dull.

The only notable improvement is the lack of body checks so far, so my preferred style of recovery healing is seeing some importance again and I can drag bad teams across the finish line.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

I mean yeah, warrior is another kettle of fish. But I needed a healer for every other tank. And warrior needs healers for raids. It doesn't have as much mitigation.

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SE needs to take some notes from Blizzard on the tank and healer problem. Blizzard figured out the problem and is actively fixing it. SE is not.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Not much changed. I first cleared the MSQ on BRD but I heard so many people raving on and on about how DT fixed healing and I saw the healers struggling in my ex1 clear.

So I levelled my SCH and healed every piece of DT content at least once. I still spend most of my time mashing Broil, I still don't have much of a reason to press my GCD heals, the healing requirements still aren't enough and the damage rotation is still ungodly dull.

The only notable improvement is the lack of body checks so far, so my preferred style of recovery healing is seeing some importance again and I can drag bad teams across the finish line.

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Thank you for answering. I did personally see a slight Improvement in terms of needing healers (aside from warrior in only dungeons) having leveled all healers and tanks, I don't think Aurora or abyssal drain personally give enough sustain to keep me alive without a healer in dungeons and it's a waste using clemency midpulls and harder content 100% needs healers to clear, but whether it's enough or not is up to the healer mains I guess.

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Originally Posted by BunnyQueen

SE needs to take some notes from Blizzard on the tank and healer problem. Blizzard figured out the problem and is actively fixing it. SE is not.

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So is the issue really just with warrior then?