Bard - they broke my job

Geez, people are just talking about DPS while it's the least of our concerns honestly.

In the first place no one was playing bard because of its DPS else they would play another class. People were playing bard because it was fun to play a ranged dps without casting time even though it meant to have a lower dps. No one was really bitching about our numbers but SE gave us tools to increase our dps... right. They changed our core gameplay and that's the problem. They turned us into mages while still dealing less damage than other dps... The gameplay is almost 2 years old and they're changing it that makes no sense. I think everyone would have been happy if they gave us more utility without raising our dps.

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Originally Posted by PopeHat

I don't understand what this thread is doing in the DPS roles forum. BRD is a support class, your bottom tier dps would be more fitting in the Healer forums since they also support other classes. You're MP healers, an accessory to the WHM and SCH.

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Since we have cast times I honestly feel like we should start singing our damage spells to the enemy, and you're right. Where are our support forums.

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Originally Posted by PopeHat

I don't understand what this thread is doing in the DPS roles forum. BRD is a support class, your bottom tier dps would be more fitting in the Healer forums since they also support other classes. You're MP healers, an accessory to the WHM and SCH.

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So I can join your team just to play Ballad and watch netfix on my other screen when ballad is not needed?

Bards don't exist anymore. They're bow mages. Start calling them that

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Originally Posted by Croisciento

Geez, people are just talking about DPS while it's the least of our concerns honestly.

In the first place no one was playing bard because of its DPS else they would play another class. People were playing bard because it was fun to play a ranged dps without casting time even though it meant to have a lower dps. No one was really bitching about our numbers but SE gave us tools to increase our dps... right. They changed our core gameplay and that's the problem. They turned us into mages while still dealing less damage than other dps... The gameplay is almost 2 years old and they're changing it that makes no sense. I think everyone would have been happy if they gave us more utility without raising our dps.

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This, exactly. I dont care about all this dps-crying at all. I cant stand the fact they changed THE core element of bards. Blackmages choose to be casters. Bards choose to be mobile. Even tho Bards couldnt really compete with other dps, our dps still wasnt bad and as long as your team hits the required dps-checks, its fine. I've been bard for nearly 2 years now. I enjoyed having important tasks like Renauds/Redfire etc. Absolutely dont understand, why they changed a class, that exists like this for 2 years by now. Should have only brought MCN with casttime, since its a new class. So people could choose between ranged with/out casttime.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

Let brds parse the same... that's fine. This game will turn into ffbard.

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Implement boss fights with mechanics that punish ranged while favoring melee. There, I fixed the problem.

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Originally Posted by Johaan

might actually play BRD or MCH now since the stance dancing adds a whole new layer on how jobs play.

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Waiting 15 seconds to switch a stance off is NOT stance dancing. Stance dancing would be switching to a stance, use the ability relevant to that stance, then switching back. Activating WM gets you stuck in that stance for 15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Choko_TS

Absolutely don't understand, why they changed a class that exists like this for 2 years by now. Should have only brought MCN with cast time, since its a new class. So people could choose between ranged with/out cast time.

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If the change weren't as forced, I think more people would have been able to adjust to it. Sure, design MCH around more cast times (really, why didn't they do this?). If you're hellbent of giving BRD casts, give Bloodletter and Windbite cast times and leave Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite and Misery's End as is. That way you have 4 skills instant, 4 skills with casts (Bloodletter, Windbite, Empyreal Arrow and Sidewinder), keep auto attacks and some mobility (assuming you were to give BL a cast, this would mean to use BL procs the BRD would have to stand still).

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Originally Posted by Choko_TS

Should have only brought MCN with casttime, since its a new class. So people could choose between ranged with/out casttime.

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We can clearly see they developed MCH before BRD. The idea being "deleting" cast times with ammo is great since if you know you have to move soon you'll keep your ammo to keep GB while moving. But with bards it feels totally clunky and not natural at all. They thought it was unfair to give only the MCH cast time so they felt obligated to give bard some...

Every class in the extension was meant to be embellished not redesigned. BLM is probably the second class that changed the most and yet you can see how their new spells are an extension of their core gameplay which is being a turret. Bard core gameplay was hitting while moving without cast time, why didn't they keep up with this? Hope enough people cry about this change so I don't feel forced to play a class with cast times anymore.

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Originally Posted by Croisciento

We can clearly see they developed MCH before BRD. The idea being "deleting" cast times with ammo is great since if you know you have to move soon you'll keep your ammo to keep GB while moving. But with bards it feels totally clunky and not natural at all. They thought it was unfair to give only the MCH cast time so they felt obligated to give bard some...

Every class in the extension was meant to be embellished not redesigned. BLM is probably the second class that changed the most and yet you can see how their new spells are an extension of their core gameplay which is being a turret. Bard core gameplay was hitting while moving without cast time, why didn't they keep up with this? Hope enough people cry about this change so I don't feel forced to play a class with cast times anymore.

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Yoshi pretty much said yesterday in the live letter to get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Yoshi pretty much said yesterday in the live letter to get used to it.

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He also told warriors to learn to play back when ARR launched, so it can still go either way.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

He also told warriors to learn to play back when ARR launched, so it can still go either way.

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Except this time he did not say learn to play, he said get over it. When he told warriors to learn to play, he gave them a buff. He told BRD to get over it and gave them a buff. BRD is currently putting out some very nice numbers, if anything I would say increase straight shot proc rate to 50% (for mobility purposes) and call it a day.