Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I think that all of that stuff could def fall under the textures issues in the response.

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I don't really see it, there is nothing in his response which I could translate to something as obvious as quite obviously changed assets. At most the way the eyeliners interact with the lighting of the eyes perhaps, but not the eyeliner itself as a new model, as when you zoom in, it is quite clearly a new and different model. Nor do I see how this could be due to unimplemented high resolution textures, as they quite clearly high-fidelity models, but made to look different. Eyebrows are sometimes quite clearly different too, but seem more high-res than before, so it can't be an issue of unimplemented high resolution textures there either.

personally anticipating for better lighting/character creation to showcase the update better. at the same time, it just means comparing between two graphics going to be more difficult due to different variables. i am scared and excited

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Originally Posted by Hejligan

I don't really see it, there is nothing in his response which I could translate to something as obvious as quite obviously changed assets. At most the way the eyeliners interact with the lighting of the eyes perhaps, but not the eyeliner itself as a new model, as when you zoom in, it is quite clearly a new and different model. Nor do I see how this could be due to unimplemented high resolution textures, as they quite clearly high-fidelity models, but made to look different. Eyebrows are sometimes quite clearly different too, but seem more high-res than before, so it can't be an issue of unimplemented high resolution textures there either.

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I don't know... Eyelashes aren't individually modelled, they're just a 3d plane that's heavily influenced by textures with transparency, more or less same goes for eyebrows. The model may deform a bit for the different options, but if the painted on brow is wrong then it'll obviously look wrong on all options, which seems to be the case from the comparisons. Should they correct the shape here it's more than likely that the 3d deformation will fall into place. It's best to wait and see but most common problems can be solved by changing textures. This does not account for the fangs, hair not being snugly fit and some nose shapes, but I doubt they'll ignore these either.

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Originally Posted by Hejligan

I really hope you are right.

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Same here, but I think it's too early to panic.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

I don't know... Eyelashes aren't individually modelled, they're just a 3d plane that's heavily influenced by textures with transparency, more or less same goes for eyebrows. The model may deform a bit for the different options, but if the painted on brow is wrong then it'll obviously look wrong on all options, which seems to be the case from the comparisons. Should they correct the shape here it's more than likely that the 3d deformation will fall into place. It's best to wait and see but most common problems can be solved by changing textures. This does not account for the fangs, hair not being snugly fit and some nose shapes, but I doubt they'll ignore these either.

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I really hope you are right.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

That person tried to show a picture of herself emoting and a still picture than called it different and ugly. She has nothing to add truthfully,just yapping.

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but I have something to tell you. Llymlaen ran up to her and started yapping at Nyxs, but Nyxs ran away without knowing that Llymlaen wanted to tell her that she only wished her well.

But seriously, I have some words that I want to say and for this I will need to use LB3 *translator* :3

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Originally Posted by Hejligan

Seems to address most things except for the actual change to some models, like eyelashes and eyebrows. Hope they will address that too.

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I was annoyed to see that, but I want to believe it's just because it's PR speak. After how much people have (reasonably) dragged them over their past remarks about how our character's won't feel changed, I would be very cautious in their position about overpromising anything. Let's hope "We will also continue to make adjustments which will incorporate as much of your feedback as possible into the revision of the benchmark, as well as the release version of Dawntrail" implies further adjustments to the face features to bring them in line with the live version.

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

but I have something to tell you. Llymlaen ran up to her and started yapping at Nyxs, but Nyxs ran away without knowing that Llymlaen wanted to tell her that she only wished her well.

But seriously, I have some words that I want to say and for this I will need to use LB3 *translator* :3

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It's more of an offtop (isn't that what they call things off-topic?), so you don't have to read it

Now, when I try not to speak with emotions, I see that I was really very harsh, sometimes impolite and everything else. The more I talk here, the more salty I get, picking on every word, but I don't want to be like that lol.
I kind of understand why you're writing this message about me, because when I look at some of my messages, I really look like a hysterical teenager. To be honest, I have no experience in disputes, (forum sprout) because I usually try to avoid any disputes, because this is not my strong point (let alone Internet disputes, where venerable debaters sit who have been doing this for years). In that message, I even apologized in advance for my excessive emotionality, because I know that many, if not all, will find it unpleasant to read this. Therefore, I take back my words about the monster freak and other nasty things that I said. After all, this is really disrespectful neither to you (all the people who read the forum), nor to the developers. I imagine that artists are trying, doing their job, and some noname (Me) calls their work ugliness. It's really not serious. Yes, something that was in a rush of emotion is not an excuse, and therefore I apologize to everyone and to the developers (unless of course one of them actually reads this, as someone said earlier in this topic) who did not like it or seems impolite and other epithets. If anyone cares about it at all, of course. I think I can accept that I'm wrong, that's why I'm writing this.

But I also continue to believe that in its current form, this is not what most will be satisfied with, I'm talking about the appearance of my character and about the appearance of other characters. Therefore, I hope, like many here who want changes, that the developers will come to the right decision, which everyone will be happy with, and those wonderful people who want changes, and those wonderful people who are satisfied with everything at the moment!

Looking through 75-sh pages of faces there's been plenty of examples where I have thought "damn, their Dawntrail version looks way sexier" or for a few "wth I can't see any difference" but I keep those opinions to myself because it's not MY place to judge THEIR feelings about THEIR character. I know that an engine change which includes lighting and rigging is impossible to replicate 100% of an old engine, that somewhere out there someone will be left dissatisfied but they don't need to hear that from me, especially since things might change between now and DT.

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Originally Posted by Scintilla

As shown here, forum is the place people usually come when they wish to share a grievance or highlight an issue which they feel exists within the system. Again, just like here, there are often people who are of the opposite opinion or who may not quite agree with the points raised, and who also wish to share their views. It's all part of a regular discussion. As long as the discussion remains respectful and polite, there's no issue with it

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I will repeat her quote and do you really think that the discussion in this case remains respectful and polite?
Unlike her, I think her problem is as important as ours. No less, but she, like an ordinary person, has her own grievances, and I think no one can will laugh at her suggestions on how to fix the WAR, in her case.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I literally woke up in a state of shock last night drenched in a cold sweat as I looked upon the bench mark one more time to see that my Warrior of Light's nose was 2 pixels larger, and their lips had slightly more detail on them.
how could yoship do this to us

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Originally Posted by Aizen

I've got my own fan looking into my post history now, and all the quotes to, I'm flattered :o

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If it gives you pleasure, then please enjoy it, I'm not sorry. Yes, I looked at your messages exactly up to the moment to find any message where you also express your dissatisfaction. It doesn't matter what it is: class balance, adding a new GATE to gold saucer, new glam, dd balance, new mount, ultimates and so on, it doesn't matter, everyone has different interests. And unlike me, I wish the developers would hear you and make the gameplay on WAR more interesting or whatever you suggest * I did not read the entire message* (and a wild offtop, but it's funny that I consider WAR a cheater, just comes in and does brrrrr and if you're a healer you can literally do nothing)

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I think it just makes me sad seeing people being so devastated when a lot of these characters are so similar to their originals. My main character (Elezen male) has the wrong textures on his face which don't even need MSPaint to point out. I watch all cutscenes and roleplay with him. I have hundreds of screenshots/art of him. I know how you would feel watching your character who doesn't resonate with you anymore. But it's better to step back and take a deep breath right?

I was just trying to say (to everyone, not just you) that nitpicking minutia and making hundreds of threads that aren't clear in what they are seeing isn't doing anyone any good. I would say it probably hurts the chances of the devs listening to anything we are saying on NA forums. It's why I posted on JP even though I don't speak Japanese. My post here on NA got 5 votes and same post on JP got 63 because posts (especially about races that less people care about like Elezen/Roe) aren't being pushed back to page 8 of the forums due to everyone and their mother making a separate thread about specific features that no one else notices.

Not that those little things don't matter, but that people need to chill out. Everyone's characters are still cute even though the lips or the eyes are a little bit different. They aren't ugly and they aren't completely different characters. There are absolutely things to be changed, but it is still very close and they are going to make updates. They said so on the website.

I hope that makes sense.

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Yes, I agree with you, it sounds reasonable, so I think I should just wait for the new benchmark and after that, so be it, I'll launch photoshop and make a more detailed comparison, which I want (if of course I succeed, because I see what people who understand this write, yes I am one of those who feels something is wrong, but does not say what exactly, but simply declares: "everything is not right")
And yes, thanks for the kind words :3