DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by SplittingSkies

I haven't been watching much Ultimate prog/clear streams of late but some seem to be under the impression that Dysnomia's DRK invul'ed most of the busters in that fight. Not ignoring that Crater also mentioned in another thread that the last phase of that fight is so magic heavy that DRKs thrive there because of Dark mind. Funny enough now people are starting a "RIP DRK buffs" trend but I honestly don't see us not getting any buffs even if a DRK got WF.

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this might just be my inner "wide eyed idealist" talking but maybe they'll look at the classes that cleared what is probably the hardest fight in the game, see what feedback that's been going on (and there's plenty of that) and maybe make adjustments? I know it's a long shot and it might lead to nerfs but an edgelord can dream...

Mr. Happy just put out a video that will probably further screw us over.

Basically "meta doesn't matter" and "anyone suggesting DRK has problems is obsessed with the meta" have been the primary take-aways people have had in the comments.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Mr. Happy just put out a video that will probably further screw us over.

Basically "meta doesn't matter" and "anyone suggesting DRK has problems is obsessed with the meta" have been the primary take-aways people have had in the comments.

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What? Really? how anyone can say we are obsessed when we are the worst on everything? How ppl can be so blind and dont see we want a fair balance?

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

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yeah was sleepy and i missread it, sorry.

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Originally Posted by shao32

What? Really? I never followed Mr. Happy but just for this i dont want know nothing about hem never, how anyone can say we are obsessed when we are the worst on everything? How ppl can be so blind and dont see we want a fair balance?

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He got lambasted by casuals in his tank vs. video for saying DRK has problems.

He didn't exactly say those things, but that is what people are interpreting it as, from the looks of it, and the way his commentary in the video was laid out, its pretty much a "shh.. its okay..." to all the people offended that he put DRK where it is in his tank vs. video: in 3rd place, and at no time did he clarify anything along the lines of "to be clear, even though DRK is viable and is completely able to clear content, even WF Ultimate, it still has problems."

Casuals are turning out to be a worse enemy of progress towards DRK changes than a meta of any kind.
Apparently people can't handle the idea that the job they find fun in 4-mans and fates is anything less than perfect, and any suggestion that it could be improved upon or that it is subpar compared to its alternatives triggers the living hell out of them.

So then WF happen and they lambasted him some more about it and I guess he was forced to bend the knee. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Casuals are turning out to be a worse enemy of progress towards DRK changes than a meta of any kind.
Apparently people can't handle the idea that the job they find fun in 4-mans and fates is anything less than perfect, and any suggestion that it could be improved upon or that it is subpar compared to its alternatives triggers the living hell out of them.

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I've noticed this fragile mentality with a few jobs. Twice now in both MrHappy and Xeno's stream, people got their knickers all twisted because I dared to say Samurai's easy to play and needs to do more damage if its going to fill the selfish DPS role. Some people just can't stand the idea their preferred job isn't amazing.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Casuals are turning out to be a worse enemy of progress towards DRK changes than a meta of any kind.
Apparently people can't handle the idea that the job they find fun in 4-mans and fates is anything less than perfect, and any suggestion that it could be improved upon or that it is subpar compared to its alternatives triggers the living hell out of them.

So then WF happen and they lambasted him some more about it and I guess he was forced to bend the knee. Oh well.

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I think this is a pretty common occurrence. People have preferences, and sometimes we convince ourselves that something is the best or good just because we enjoy it. Dark knight looks cool, plays flashy and thats about it. I think the only thing that can be done is to keep awareness of the issues going and just hope people start to see the light as time goes by.

As for Mr. Happy. I don't follow him, but from what I have seen he has a bad track record when it comes to his tank predictions. In his 3.x video he claimed paladin and dark knight we about the same in effectiveness, they weren't. In his analysis video when he demoed the game pre-release he claimed dark knight was set up to be the damage dealer of the tanks, looking at the past standings dark knight has always seemed to be behind, and the current standings warrior has that place over dark knight by 300. His 4.x tank video does hit on a lot of good points and might be the exception.

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Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising

I think this is a pretty common occurrence. People have preferences, and sometimes we convince ourselves that something is the best or good just because we enjoy it. Dark knight looks cool, plays flashy and thats about it. I think the only thing that can be done is to keep awareness of the issues going and just hope people start to see the light as time goes by.

As for Mr. Happy. I don't follow him, but from what I have seen he has a bad track record when it comes to his tank predictions. In his 3.x video he claimed paladin and dark knight we about the same in effectiveness, they weren't. In his analysis video when he demoed the game pre-release he claimed dark knight was set up to be the damage dealer of the tanks, looking at the past standings dark knight has always seemed to be behind, and the current standings warrior has that place over dark knight by 300. His 4.x tank video does hit on a lot of good points and might be the exception.

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Not to defend him, as I don't follow streamers of any kind, but no one could predict the content as "Magical damage focused" and thus pushing the PLD out of the meta (or even out of any party hoping for a down).

Making two jobs on par and one focused magical damage, the other focused physical, is technically correct if your content is either balanced around both sources, of TB include physical and magical components each times.

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Originally Posted by MauvaisOeil

Not to defend him, as I don't follow streamers of any kind, but no one could predict the content as "Magical damage focused" and thus pushing the PLD out of the meta (or even out of any party hoping for a down).

Making two jobs on par and one focused magical damage, the other focused physical, is technically correct if your content is either balanced around both sources, of TB include physical and magical components each times.

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Certainly, predictions are impossible to get right, especial with an unknown like raid tier damage. I just don't follow him and when I hear his opinion I don't necessarily take his word as gospel is all.

Statistics update. Past week in Savage:

Warrior 11,321
Paladin 13,624
Dark Knight 7,116

Past 2 weeks:

Warrior 23,091
Paladin 27,982
Dark Knight 14,756

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Statistics update. Past week in Savage:

Warrior 11,321
Paladin 13,624
Dark Knight 7,116

Past 2 weeks:

Warrior 23,091
Paladin 27,982
Dark Knight 14,756

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How is DRK damage so low? I thought it was only a fairly modest DPS difference (although still significant)
Edit I'm bad at understanding statistics :C sorry