As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

I'm playing no victim but tbh Im done, you people just seem to cricize any one that says anything that doesnt fit in with how you want the game to be. Dps healer or gtfo.

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So you want to heal and you pick the only healing class that has a healing bot that can solo heal most of the fights in this game. Then you complain that you don't want to micromanage that bot in savage content and that why the class is just a glorified DPS. Tell me more about it, I'm interested.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Nope. CNJ was a DPS class with healing skills even in 1.0.

Farming Raptors for the first year of the game didn't take much healing and the extra DPS helped to level faster.

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IIRC wasn't Aeroga or w/e how you spelled it was commonly used to aoe farm?

In my opinion a healers primary job is to heal and keep everyone alive. When and if they have time in between healing they should be helping dps unless they are low on mp where they would run the risk of not having the mp to heal if they dps.

If everyone knows what their job is and how to use that job to it's full potential, any dungeon/raid should go rather quick and smoothly providing their level and/or ilevel is high enough. If they are just high enough to be able to do that raid/dungeon it will take longer in comparison to those that are at the level cap for that instance.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

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They could simply greatly reduce our healing output.
I don't necessarly want everyone to be under a permanent threat of being bursted for the sake of forcing both healer to heal.
You could keep the dmg as it and greatly reduce healer's healing potential forcing them to effectively heal more than 5sec every minute.


I agree that Healing shouldn't be the most alienating and stressful job. No job should be, but weither it would require a proper rework or not, I believe that most healer who started the game, those casual healer as you pointed, probably rolled healer to heal, not to be some proto-dps. Sure, some might love the whole dps thing... but at the core, if you role a healer to dps 90% of a fight there's obviously something wrong with your job selection.

Seriously, do you know someone clueless about the current dpsheal meta saying after buying the game and going through the available jobs "dude, White mage sounds like a good job to dps, I'll roll WHM"

I know some people in my FC hate healing because of that, there7s this pressure of doing as much as dps AND keep people alive (and make up for their mistake)

I selected Astro as primary job because I enjoy healing. I don't mind shooting dot during 4men that I greatly overgear. I don't mind shooting dot or dps during some smoother phases, but I do mind being told I MUST dps and keep my DoTs otherwise the group lacks dps... seriously, just reverse the situation, assuming all DPS role would have a way to heal, how would most player choosing the dps role feel about having to heal half of the a fight duration?

Hopefully they will do something for Stormblood as it is not the first time this kind of topic emerges, even on french and japanese forum the discussion can be wild. (dunno about german I can't read german)

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

They could simply greatly reduce our healing output.

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The issue will remain with overgearing content though (as well as balancing casual and hard content). For current expert dungeons, the item level requirement is 210, and people can be running them at i270. How would you balance the healing potencies and healing requirements of the dungeon? Unless you put level and item level cap for every content, which would make gearing up pretty much useless.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

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I selected Astro as primary job because I enjoy healing. I don't mind shooting dot during 4men that I greatly overgear. I don't mind shooting dot or dps during some smoother phases, but I do mind being told I MUST dps and keep my DoTs otherwise the group lacks dps... seriously, just reverse the situation, assuming all DPS role would have a way to heal, how would most player choosing the dps role feel about having to heal half of the a fight duration?

Hopefully they will do something for Stormblood as it is not the first time this kind of topic emerges, even on french and japanese forum the discussion can be wild. (dunno about german I can't read german)

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I selected DPS because I wanted to be doing damage.

Why do I have to reduce my enmity? Why do I have to give TP/MP song? Why do I have to Virus/Eye for an Eye?

Because it helps the team.

People need to understand that, a healer who optimizes their DPS STILL HEALS.
But they are by far and large better healers because they HEAL LESS. They are so efficient at their job, they make DPS openings for themselves. And then they go and aid in defeating the boss, which is the goal of the fight which everyone contributes in.

Healer is your title, but what you do as a player, determines whether or not you are a good healer. So instead of settling just for what your job title means, why not be more? You're not a healbot or meatwall or machinegun. You're an X Job. You're the White Robbed cleric that brings succor to your allies and destruction to your foes through elemental mastery. (Disclaimer: I don't know WHM lore.)

You are not a one dimensional healbot.

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Originally Posted by Taika

The people here critisise arguments that go against the truth. The game is designed and played in such a way that DPSing as a healer is the most effective way to play the role (and also supports your group the most), and that's the objective truth. That is why it doesn't make any sense to present or support arguments that not DPSing would be a "valid play style". There aren't multiple valid play styles for any job in this game, it's just how it is. Either face the truth or don't, but don't try to pretend there are alternatives for it.

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I just dont get that logic when a healer is who has great healing spells is forced to dps 90% of the time. Plus that argument is really putting me off the game. Id like to enjoy it

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Originally Posted by Feyona

I just dont get that logic when a healer is who has great healing spells is forced to dps 90% of the time. Plus that argument is really putting me off the game. Id like to enjoy it

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You not liking it doesn't make it any less true. It's like someone would like to play BRD who only sings (FFXI style, for example), and would try to push for that play style in this game and claim it's a valid play style. It wouldn't be, and they wouldn't be accepted in parties either. Their songs are great, but only singing them and doing nothing else to support the group just isn't enough!

Try finding a job with a play style you actually enjoy in this game! If you can't, then unfortunately maybe the game just isn't for you.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

So you want to heal and you pick the only healing class that has a healing bot that can solo heal most of the fights in this game. Then you complain that you don't want to micromanage that bot in savage content and that why the class is just a glorified DPS. Tell me more about it, I'm interested.

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Didnt complain about the fact of micromanaging the pet its just the amount I was expected to do as well as heal in the spaces allowed by the fight when with another healer that isnt healing enough. This is just it everything I say here is twisted. Plus every twisted reply I get is 'liked'

I'm pretty sure most people do understand that healers that are good at dpsing while keeping people alive anyway are helping the team more than healers that aren't dpsing. There's nothing wrong with not liking it though. It also doesn't automatically mean they don't do it to help their team anyway.

I might be misunderstanding/misreading some posts but sometimes people seem to snap at someone for just wishing for the current heal meta to be different. lol (Dont mean anyone in particular but sometimes it seems to go "Meh I dont really like dpsing as a healer, I wanna heal as a healer!" - "OMG u must be a bad egoistic healer that never wants to help ur team ewww" - "...no I do try to dps whenever I can I just dont like it..." - "Y U NO UNDERSTAND! ur a bigger help if u dps too!" - "...but I do..." XD Sorry dont mean to offend anyone.

If the meta's not gonna change (assume it's not but what do I know), people need to either adjust to it if they havent already or look for another job/role they might enjoy more, like Taika already said.