Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Question... How can you insult pixels?

I happen to agree. Male Miquote look very odd/strange. They definitely seemed very "forced". They really weren't necessary at all, and ended up ruining the lore (males rarely if ever leave their ancestral home). Now they've done the same thing with the Viera lore (males don't leave), and I REALLY hope they stick with it.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

1) I'm not the person you were originally talking to, so don't accuse me of insulting people. (I was simply agreeing to a point with the person you WERE talking to)
2) Agreeing that the male Miquote design is not of a high quality is not an insult to anyone. It's simply a critique of rushed and poorly made decisions by the entire TEAM, not any particular artist. Critiquing something is not insulting it. The only way anything ever improves in this world is by critiquing.

3) I didn't make anything up at all, so once again, don't falsely accuse me. Maybe you haven't done the Orbonne Monastery quests or you skipped the dialogue. Because it says plain as day in there that the male Viera don't leave the Greatwood.

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1) you are the person i was talking to which is why i gave an analogy more people can recognize as to how you can insult pixels its not the pixels themselves its the person behind the pixels be it a player or a developer who put the work in while you may not mean it but by asking that question you showed me that you have a lack of empathy for these people who do really put a lot of work into designing characters which again to me is insulting after your reply i don't think you meant it on purpose its just the way it came across.
2) Constructive critique gives the best improvements destructive critique is more of a gamble on whether the person/people will want to improve things i feel you need to elaborate on why you feel male miqo'te feel forced and how they break the lore as player characters may as well not exist in terms of the games story and male miqo'te are appropriately distributed within the game as npcs.
3)you did though not once did the dramataurge say male Viera never leave the woods he states both genders role within their society says how the more recent generations of Viera are growing more discontent in just wood life (just speculation on why atm also generation generally includes both genders) the closet thing that you can use is the dramataurge himself never came across a male viera nor heard of someone the thing is Rabanstre is a city and i don't think its unheard of never crossing paths in a city with a random person of a different species. also everything the dramataurge says is past tense there is no indictation either way that things remain as they were when the dramataurge was in Rabanstre.

I may have jumped the gun by calling you scummy and saying you came here with intent to insult and for that i apologize

If there are to be any other races added I feel SE needs to get away from the humanoid types and venture into non humanoid types, like golem and so on or even allow interracial combinations. Like lala/roe, lala/au'ra, lala/ mi'qote, lala/ hyur, lala/ Viera, roe/au'ra, roe/ mi'qote, roe/ hyur, roe/ elezen, roe/ Viera. This would appease a lot of the need for adding new races for a long while instead of it following the trend of having a new race per expansion maybe one every other expansion so the dev team and art department can make quality items like gear, weapons.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'm looking too much into it I just think it would help diversify what's already here and add a little more flavor to the mix.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

3. Oh no doubt they are aware of it they would be bigger fools if they weren't backlash was always going to be a thing with every announcement you cannot please everybody the amount of backlash is what you got to try and minimize gender locking is on the big end of backlash this will cause way more discomfort in people than they don't look like how i envisioned.
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People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

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Thing is the black lash for blu being limited is unwarrented cause people were already told it couldn't work in the way ffxiv was designed. Yoshi caved to constant demands and did the best he could while opening the door to other ff job that just don't work in the mmo design. the outcry for male veira is premeture as no one has said they are genderlock and people have been told to wait for Tokyo. People on the forms need to stop jump to conclusions on nothing

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

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It's one thing to something regarding this with BlueMage which can be changed in the future by giving them an actual skill tree - I can honestly see this in the future and I hope it happens as limited BLU sucks. It's another thing in this day and age - and I can't believe I'm saying this because eugh it's SJW as all heck - to do gender race blocks on a race that has male and female counterparts. Holding a race hostage to one specific gender is lame; it's gross - and doesn't belong in this day and age. If they didn't want to add males then they should have gone back and rewrote the lore for FF14 to have it that males don't exist period and that they reproduce asexually. I actually despise gender locked races just like I despise gender locked classes - I'm looking at you Black Desert.

FF14 did NOT need to follow the lore of the other games and simply had these Viera be different with no males. They didn't.

I'll give you an example of a only female race that was done correctly; Asari from Mass Effect. All female biologically. Most people are fine with that because it's there lore - they reproduce with others regardless of gender and produce female children. No one is up in arms about this, no one is screaming; because that's how they were made.

Viera were never made like that. Viera distinctly has lore that talks about the male species being around in the woods and that's it. To go around and then say 'Oh, we're going to that woodland where all the males are; you know, where thousands of the males are confined into one single space that shoots outsiders on sight most of the time, but you're still not going to see them.' What literally is the point of that?

Sorry if I sound aggressive, this isn't at you - I'm angry at the very idea that if they do this how utterly BS it is. It is indeed me jumping the gun but the mere thought of it makes my blood boil. When March hits and it turns out our worrying was nothing, I'll come back and apologise for being such a baby about this and how I worried for nothing! That I assure you.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

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on a community level it might be smaller but the backlash that blu caused was/is down to the community mostly, gender locking will get more media backlash with why now? why Viera? why did you change for old races? you would have to give incredibly good reasons for why or it will sour a lot of reviewers opinions( you can't tell me some games journalists won't jump at the chance for a controversial topic) Competitors may jump on it as well like look we don't gender lock you can play as anything male or female. Gender locking creates a very negative stigma and puts more people off especially now when there are more choices to go play, gender locking races is also 1 step away from gender locked jobs and i certainly do not want that either. People are likely to be way more vocal about this than stuff like glamour if they decide this it will be a mistake imo gender locking races/jobs is always looked down on as a very bad thing by the majority of people and its something 2.0 was very much praised for doing away with

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Originally Posted by Kogekigami

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OK, BLU can work in FFXIV, and having a fan popular job restricted to what amounts to nothing, alongside their content already practically dead and nothing more than another collect-a-thon, an endgane that doesn't matter an nothing more than a SFX spammer, alongside being balanced as a level 50 job, with a pretty standard rotation of mostly spamming one spell, a DoT and a few oGCDs, we been outright lied to about its solo aspects, and the whole thing reaks of laziness at best, spite at worst. Not to mention being hypocrits (Lol Level 5 death on Omega, be too OP so lets make immunities on every bosses contradicting our own statement). No job in this gane should be Limited, and that it's against what the fans and majority want (even in Japanese forums they hate it as well). If one jobs Limited, every other job after CAN be Limited. What would your favourite job that you want to main get Limited too?

BLUs skill learning and being limited are not hand in hand, you can have both, or just one of them while having the full perks.

Besides the same argument can be applied to Viera (come from a different place in the franchise, incompatible lore, having to work with the original creators).

There's always going to be speculation, alongside the fact that SE are dodging every question and with very accurate leaks revealed.

If you're all for one aspect of the game being limited, be ready for other aspects being limited.

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

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I already talked about this will repost;

So I was thinking on this again and something hit me regarding numbers of Viera and how the argument of 'they're too rare'.

Lore has it that the Viera population in Ivalice is 5%. Ivalice is quite large and has a very big population. Viera aren't exactly endangered - there's no lack of them; they're just confined to woods for the most part. No plot that I recall of where their numbers are 'dying'. Though, I will remind that Viera means 'of the wood' and that if a Viera leaves the wood they are no longer considered 'Viera'

Anyway! Let's do some lame maths.
Let's say Ivalice has a population of 3million - small; considering how huge it is; and for comparison, the population of the UK - which is tiny in size regards to land mass - has a population of 66million - so for this example, I'm aiming disgustingly low. Note; I picked this number because of medieval England - even smaller than the UK! - had a population of 3million + that was with war/famine/bad hygiene etc. And of course, Ivalice is based on medieval Europe. Ivalice by estimate is more than just 10x bigger than England - that's a given.

5% of 3million is 150000 give or take. Now Viera births are 8:2 in regards to female and male. So 20% of 150000 = 30000 let's now cull the poor males because of their lifestyle. I'll be drastic and cull them by 75% which is extremely high. We now have 7500 males. That's 7500 males doing border control. 7500 males that can live up to 300+ years that breed every 3-5 summers with females, who also live up to 300+.

I have to ask; how would this spoil immersion? I honestly don't understand how people could get upset if 5 of those '7500' males happens to be in their vicinity or something. Or even ten of them or twenty etc. You're not going to see 7500 male Viera around you at one given time.

Edit: The 5% is a percentage taken from the 'Encyclopedia of Eorzea II'


Technically Male Kittybois are rarer; with a 1:20 birth rate or something.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

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You see,
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while I'm all for
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male Viera and all
*kills Kefka*
I just don't think
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they'd be lore friendly
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and it would ruin my immersion
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you know?
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