Shots Fired: A Machinist Guide

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Originally Posted by LenTsani

It's actually not debatable..

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You are right it isn't debatable. If you aren't toggling GB in between Buff cycles then you are playing the class wrong. Real application has shown anyone serious about MCH that this is the case but you can easily do some simple napkin math to figure out that having GB off when there are no buffs to pop and GR/Ricochet are on CD is a DPS gain.

AAs are roughly 80~ Potency. You will AA with almost every GCD with GB off so it is safe to assume the you will do a GCD + AA and then you can compare it to a GCD + GB Bonus.

Split Shot - 140 Potency. | GB = 182 With AA = 220
Slug Shot - 180 Potency. | GB = 234 With AA = 260
Clean Shot - 200 Potency. | GB = 260 With AA = 280
Lead Shot - 490 Potency. | GB = 637 With AA = 570
Hot Shot - 120 Potency. | GB = 156 With AA = 200

Starting to see a pattern?

The only skill that loses potency while not under GB is Lead Shot, which can easily be used while under GB since it has a 30 second duration. You can time its application with your GB cycles.


Obviously you want GB on for buffs and every time GR/Ricochet is up but you can easily stance dance when those aren't available which will greatly increase your DPS.

Before you would always stay in GB because it was very hard to re-apply and you would lose a lot of DPS from missing out on GR/Rico but now you can keep those on CD, apply your Dots and use your buffs while under GB and turn it off whenever it isn't needed.

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cevo2mwB81o

with fey wind you'd do this

rs>he>bfb>hyper>hotshot>xpot>lead shot>reload>1>wildfire>2>qr+reassemble>3>rapid+ricochet>1>g.round>2>h.graze>1>blank>3*>2>3



*gauss off after this, assuming you get the auto and put gauss back on before the next clean shot is a dps increase, but optional if you aren't comfortable with it or would rather just gauss stance dance after the clean shot

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Why did you reapply GB for the last CS when CS w/ GB is a potency loss v GB + AA? Unless you're guaranteeing yourself a crit increase potency. Your ability would have to hit for 225+ potency to be stronger in GB v with AA. Can use an ammo proc'd CS as an example

220*1.638=360.36 (CS + GB)

(220*1.26)+(80*1.05)=361.2 (CS + AA)

Where I get my numbers from is the Increased Action Damage II trait, GB and Hot Shot. Multiplying those 3 together gives me the first potency. The second potency is (CS + (IA2*HS))+(AA*HS). Where I get my 80 potency for AA? I used the GCD timer to create a fair potency per GCD since comparing the 2 at their own timers would be pointless. Therefore at a 2.41 GCD, which is what I'm at, AA potency will be 80. Let me know if you see any flaws.

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Originally Posted by Haxetc

Why did you reapply GB for the last CS when CS w/ GB is a potency loss v GB + AA?

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the logic at the time was really just to get an auto in before wildfire exploded, since i knew slug+auto would be stronger than slug+gauss. at the time, i didn't really bother seeing if clean+auto was better than clean+gauss (or in general really, since this is mostly an alt job for me)

you could just keep gauss off after the blank and it'd work fine/better as well

something random; act potency parser puts aas at around 69-76 potency for me

From 1st post:

w/ GB
WD - 10.71
Dexterity - 1.000
Determination - 0.125
Critical Hit Rate - 0.140
Skill Speed - 0.020


Can anyone explain the logic/math behind the thought of SS being 7x worse than Crit? It's almost like GCD reduction wasn't even considered and only lead shot potency was accounted for.:confused:

Because the sim is for openers and not for general full parses, I'm assuming.

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

something random; act potency parser puts aas at around 69-76 potency for me

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Try parsing an ammo proc'd CS and tell me what you get :)

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Because the sim is for openers and not for general full parses, I'm assuming.

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That's retarded.

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Originally Posted by Eevey

That's retarded.

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I suppose you can take stat weights as you like, but I commend Cascadi for getting a sim for the opener, which is generally the most hotly debated part of any class's rotation.

After that well...you can wait for my full featured sim to be completed.

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Originally Posted by Haxetc

Try parsing an ammo proc'd CS and tell me what you get :)

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yeah, seems pretty buggy with ammo procced shots. getting 100 consistently with ammo on proc (+9% dmg adjust), while proc with no ammo is 200

potency for autos seems about right though with variance taken into account; about 73% of the damage of a raw slug/clean shot (100 potency), or 73 potency ish

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Originally Posted by LenTsani

It's actually not debatable...

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!