What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by Aline_D

The Ancients would never manage to fight Meteion because they were so powerful and full in Ether that they would not be able to manipulate (or be manipulated by) Dynamis.
It's why the Scions had the perfect balance to both manipulate Dynamis by using their ether to create the various places in Ultima Thule.
That inherent weakness was one of the reasons of why Venat chose to sunder everyone.
The second reason was also to make humanity weaker, so they would never be able to achieve perfection, which could also be destructive as we see from the Ea and other races that simply lost the will to live after reaching Utopia.

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If the Ancients have the ability to create Meteion, a hivemind that can manipulate Dynamis, they should have the ability to create other things that can fight against her with Dynamis. Especially if all of the ancients are working together to, you know, not die.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

If the Ancients have the ability to create Meteion, a hivemind that can manipulate Dynamis, they should have the ability to create other things that can fight against her with Dynamis. Especially if all of the ancients are working together to, you know, not die.

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The only one who knew about Dynamis, much less use it, was Hermes, which is a terrible warning as he ended up doing a "universe"-ending mistake as he didn't realize how strong Dynamis can be.

And it is irrelevant since if he knew what was really going on, he would try to sabotage any attempt to stop Meteion as he did before the memory wipe.

And "surely they would think of something" is meaningless, unless you have a specific example to give.


And finally even if they somehow managed to stop Meteion, we (and Venat) knows they were bound to be destroyed either by misuse of their power or by losing the will to live like all other civilisations.

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Originally Posted by Aline_D

The only one who knew about Dynamis, much less use it, was Hermes, which ended up doing a universe-ending mistake as he did realize how strong Dynamis can be.

And it is irrelevant since if he knew what was really going on, he would try to sabotage any attempt to stop Meteion as he did before the memory wipe.

And "surely they would think of something" is meaningless, unless you have a specific example.

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Given the ancients are a society of scientists it wouldn't take them long to get up to speed on it, the only reason they are pretty ignorant of it is generally been regarded as too weak to do anything with (as the sundered do as well) so it's regarded as nothing but a curiosity. Once the End of Days proves them wrong in that regard it stands to reason they'd investigate it and besides Venat seems pretty knowable on given how many assumptions she makes in her plans

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Given the ancients are a society of scientists it wouldn't take them long to get up to speed on it, the only reason they are pretty ignorant of it is generally been regarded as too weak to do anything with (as the sundered do as well) so it's regarded as nothing but a curiosity. Once the End of Days proves them wrong in that regard it stands to reason they'd investigate it and besides Venat seems pretty knowable on given how many assumptions she makes in her plans

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Again this is wishful thinking and you don't offer any alternative what could they possibly do except "a ~~wizard~~ scientist did it"

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

besides Venat seems pretty knowable on given how many assumptions she makes in her plans

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No, Venat is not assuming, she follows a path she already knows where it leads because *we* told her the entire history. Deviating from that path means risking the entire universe for the small chance that they somehow defeat Meteion in another way, which would just buy a bit of time since their society would die no matter what.

I paid for the subscription twice and I still don't have it :mad:

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Originally Posted by Crota127

I paid for the subscription twice and I still don't have it :mad:

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Justice for Crota's subscription money.

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Originally Posted by Jemachu

We must have been waiting for Galene for quite a while to have time to recite the entire history of the world post sundering—that isn't even known in universe—for her. Not to mention the shards, which funnily WoL doesn't know either.

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beside with respect to Metion all Venat knows from us that Zodiark will block the Dynamis for at least 12000 years

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Originally Posted by Aline_D

No, Venat is not assuming, she follows a path she already knows where it leads because *we* told her the entire history. Deviating from that path means risking the entire universe for the small chance that they somehow defeat Meteion in another way, which would just buy a bit of time since their society would die no matter what.

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We're getting into Time Paradox territory, which is a core flaw of time travel based stories, but how would venat know the entire history the *first* time she went through this? There had to be a timeline where we didn't interact with Hermes or Venat.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

We're getting into Time Paradox territory, which is a core flaw of time travel based stories, but how would venat know the entire history the *first* time she went through this? There had to be a timeline where we didn't interact with Hermes or Venat.

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At this point I assume that the original timeline didn't have us in Elpis, but Venat still went with Hermes and Emet, and she still managed to escape the mind wipe. So she knew what was going on the entire time with Meteion in the original timeline, and certain things like binding Zodiark and the Moon being a ship were originally there. So she walked down the same "path" without the foreknowledge of what she would do. All we did is basically tell her, "Yeah, you're going to walk down that path" in advance.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

At this point I assume that the original timeline didn't have us in Elpis, but Venat still went with Hermes and Emet, and she still managed to escape the mind wipe. So she knew what was going on the entire time with Meteion in the original timeline, and certain things like binding Zodiark and the Moon being a ship were originally there. So she walked down the same "path" without the foreknowledge of what she would do. All we did is basically tell her, "Yeah, you're going to walk down that path" in advance.

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They never would have found Meteion or gotten her report without our help.