Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

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Originally Posted by raerae

whenever i raid sigmascape there is always healing to do so i dont know what you are talking there is a lot of damage that happening

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Yes, there is a lot of damage going out, but there's also a LOT of powerful oGCD heals that we have.

WHM: Tetragrammation, Benediction, Assize (also restores MP), Asylum (and I really need to learn to use this properly)
SCH: Indomitability, Lustrate, Fey Union, Whispering Dawn
AST: Essential Dignity, Lady of Crowns (requires RNG proc though on Minor Arcana), Earthly Star

Then there's also Diurnal Sect/WHM regens, that provide a powerful heal over time. AspBen/AspHel for AST, Regen and Medica II for WHM. Collective Unconscious (AST) and Asylum (WHM) also provide HoTs for those who step into the bubbles (though with Asylum you have to stay in the bubble). While there is definitely less opportunity to put out damage in Savage, there is still ample opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

i think if you can't dps you shouldn't, nobody can force you to dps if you dont want!!! this is a game remember so you can do whatever you want.

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thank you im glad that you agree i have no problem with doing dps as healer the problem si there is no time to dps because theres a lot of healing to do and thats my job the other healer can dealings dps if they want to
i dont want to d

even if there’s time to dps in a fight why should you? it’s not our job to dps, it’s our job to heal, if there’s nothing to heal that means we did a good job and can relax until it’s our turn again

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Originally Posted by raerae

thank you im glad that you agree i have no problem with doing dps as healer the problem si there is no time to dps because theres a lot of healing to do and thats my job the other healer can dealings dps if they want to
i dont want to d

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Originally Posted by weedlord

even if there’s time to dps in a fight why should you? it’s not our job to dps, it’s our job to heal, if there’s nothing to heal that means we did a good job and can relax until it’s our turn again

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Look, guys. I get it. I see what you're doing here and I respect it.

But there are people in this thread that will actually take what you say at face value here and agree with you.

r/shitpostxiv is that way.

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Originally Posted by raerae

i dont like enrages because i play a healer and they make me feel pressured to do dps but doing dps isn't my job my job is to heal so what am i supposed to do when the boss enraged other than tell my dps to try harder????????

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Telling your DPS to try harder, git gud or some slang they understand and do mechanics correct, not only boss mechanics also job mechanics and learn the fight.
Which also translates back to yourself.
Did you use all your tools to reach the goal?
As a healer it is your job to support your party and if they don't need HP you have to support them in an other way, like DPS.
It is not to hard to keep some DoTs rolling while healing. Synergize with your cohealer to get the most out of your toolkit and don't narrow yourself down to just a heal bot.

Also you're playing in a team and as a teammember your job is to contribute as much as you can to the team.
If you dismiss a part of your toolkit for personal feelings your gimping yourself and your team.
Should NIN stop shadewalking and smokescreening, because it's not his single main focus?
How about BRD and MCH stop TP/MP refresh?
And Tanks? Should they stop using DefCDs, because it's not the single main focus of the job?
To remember i'm talking about Savage and Ex, not some "easy" content.

tl;dr:
If you narrow yourself to your only single main focus of the role your playing your job wrong.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Telling your DPS to try harder, git gud or some slang they understand and do mechanics correct, not only boss mechanics also job mechanics and learn the fight.
Which also translates back to yourself.
Did you use all your tools to reach the goal?
As a healer it is your job to support your party and if they don't need HP you have to support them in an other way, like DPS.
It is not to hard to keep some DoTs rolling while healing. Synergize with your cohealer to get the most out of your toolkit and don't narrow yourself down to just a heal bot.

Also you're playing in a team and as a teammember your job is to contribute as much as you can to the team.
If you dismiss a part of your toolkit for personal feelings your gimping yourself and your team.
Should NIN stop shadewalking and smokescreening, because it's not his single main focus?
How about BRD and MCH stop TP/MP refresh?
And Tanks? Should they stop using DefCDs, because it's not the single main focus of the job?
To remember i'm talking about Savage and Ex, not some "easy" content.

tl;dr:
If you narrow yourself to your only single main focus of the role your playing your job wrong.

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but what if theres so much healing to be done that i can only heal because theres not time to doing damage

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Originally Posted by raerae

thank you im glad that you agree i have no problem with doing dps as healer the problem si there is no time to dps because theres a lot of healing to do and thats my job the other healer can dealings dps if they want to

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The optimum strat (I have however already conceded that this is easier to achieve in a static than a PUG, I do get that), is that you split the healing out between you (mostly through oGCDs) to push out more damage. Of course, in PUGs this will be almost impossible to achieve (especially in EU with our multilingual shenanigans), but yeah, that's the optimum.

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Originally Posted by weedlord

even if there’s time to dps in a fight why should you? it’s not our job to dps, it’s our job to heal, if there’s nothing to heal that means we did a good job and can relax until it’s our turn again

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So you're perfectly fine in dungeons with spending most of your time idling. We're just glorified DPS. Now ok sure, if you're having problems healing that's one thing, but the bolded part just screams you just don't want to. By all means champion to make healing harder across the board so there's less time to DPS, I can get behind that, but the current healing paradigm we have makes just pure healing literally using so little of your toolkit.

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Originally Posted by raerae

but what if theres so much healing to be done that i can only heal because theres not time to doing damage

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Then you co-ordinate (if possible) with your co-healer to spread out the healing better so you have time to do more. Now if you're both divvying up the healing between each other and there's still no time to DPS (say because of the damage they're taking because people are getting hit by AoEs, tanks not using cooldowns properly, etc), then that's fine (believe it or not, while I do say there's time to DPS, that is in more optimal cases, it might not always be possible). Though you may want to ask them to execute mechanics better and manage cooldowns better. Then when all the pieces slot together, you should have time to DPS. But if you're using every GCD healing because of the damage taken (also note, the others don't have to be at 100% health all the time, just heal them enough to make sure they won't die sort of deal, to reduce overhealing where possible, though this comes from experience), then yeah, you're following ABC and while there's probably more you can do to optimise, people aren't going to have as much of an issue with that. I also don't mind if there's periods of flummoxing (especially if you're inexperienced), since I do it myself. I play far from optimal. Then again, I've always done Savage with a static.

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Originally Posted by raerae

but what if theres so much healing to be done that i can only heal because theres not time to doing damage

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Then you heal in that phase and afterwards you can shift your focus back on the whole toolkit.
Or/And coordinate with your cohealer, you're more effective if you carry your weight together.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

The thing is, in this game, a healer is just a DPS with a good healing toolkit, and a tank is just a DPS with a good tanking toolkit. Everyone here is simply a DPS at the end of the day. It's just the way the game is designed. They're gonna have to completely gut healing and tanking prowess to the ground if they wanna make it so that healers and tanks really are healers and tanks. We're just too strong in those roles, which means we basically become additional DPS. I believe people run the maths and healers and tanks are able to put out like 60% of the damage of an equivalent DPS (while still being able to do their primary role of healing or tanking). 60% is absolutely nothing to scoff at and you really want to push that out as best as you can.

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It's not that "everyone is a DPS" so much as the only victory condition is reducing the boss' health to zero, which is done purely through damaging the boss or occasionally some add, thus making damage the fundamental currency of raiding. All other things–tanks, healers, etc–only get included because they boost the raid's damage output with their presence by keeping them alive longer. Tanks and healers are brought to perform a particular function, and anything beyond the bare minimum to fulfill that function is a complete waste. The only thing that can't be wasted is damage to the boss because the encounter ends when the appropriate mount has been inflicted. If excesses created by other roles were likewise useful to clearing the encounter, you might change it. However, simply nerfing the damage output of tanks and healers would not. It could change how they play, but extra damage is still extra damage and helps increase the chance of success. The only way nerfing them would prevent it would be to nerf the damage while increasing the cost to get the damage, such that the risk it creates isn't worth it.

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Originally Posted by weedlord

even if there’s time to dps in a fight why should you? it’s not our job to dps, it’s our job to heal, if there’s nothing to heal that means we did a good job and can relax until it’s our turn again

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Your primary job is to defeat the enemy in front of you = completing the instance. It's everones job to complete the instance.
And you do this by keeping everyone alive > damaging the enemy. Of course healing comes first, but when there is simply no damage hurting your time / very little damage hurting your team, what is the problem with throwing a few damage spells? Staying around doing nothing is just being lazy. Why has everyone to try their best in hope to not hit the enrage, but you as the healer not? How is that fair to your teammates? If the job of a dps is to kill the enemy, why should they help you out with mana shift? Why should a bard use his/her mana song for you? Why should a rdm/smn raise someone? It's not their job by your logic. But your logic is just an excuse for being lazy. And with this I'm not saying that you have to deal 2.5k dps every fight as a healer, but applying dots and sometimes throwing a stone/broil/malefic would be nice.

(I think this is getting too offtopic though :S)

Edit: Nvm, you got me there. But the sad thing is, I have actually met ppl who seriously meant what you said in that quote.