Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

When White mages say they want raid utility, what is it specifically that you want? Can you give examples? If it's just to copy what sch/ast already does that's not going to work. They can't make all the healers exactly the same.
Can someone give some spell/skills ideas to see if you can come up with something better? Maybe you can but please provide ideas

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Reflect.

Reflects X% of the damage dealt to a party member to the enemy.

Boom I already designed a better ability than the new ones we are going to get.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

When White mages say they want raid utility, what is it specifically that you want? Can you give examples? If it's just to copy what sch/ast already does that's not going to work. They can't make all the healers exactly the same.
Can someone give some spell/skills ideas to see if you can come up with something better? Maybe you can but please provide ideas

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To keep it short, damage buffs and crit rate buffs would be the best bet, haste perhaps a bit behind those. "Oh but I said you can't copy what AST and SCH does!" Well AST copied SCH there first so... yes you can. (And the DPS jobs have been doing it to each other for a while.) And this is why SCH will keep its place even with AST's 300%+stancebuff shields.

There's been many many suggestions, including adding a buff effect to regen or cure casts. SE just... even if they want to keep WHM a pure healer, making its heals weaker (yet more expensive) than AST is just baffling.

and now it's bled over to NN as i'm trying to explain the changes...yeah, WHM...is already considered a joke...it's only going to get worse

V: If I had a daughter that was a WHM, they'd be grounded to their room until they turned into an Astro or Scholar

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Sebazy covered it pretty comprehensively. A 400-600 potency AoE oGCD ability with a recast of 15 seconds doesn't sound ridiculous to you, given Indom and Assize's cooldowns?

You don't cast it on anybody, it's a PBAoE like Assize. That's why it has a range of 0.

Comparison: http://imgur.com/a/luGII Assize vs http://imgur.com/a/Jyzch PI

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Imagine a 30 yard medica.
Imagine that medica only healed targets that had at least 1 Confession Stack

That's how it works the ability. It's not an AoE heal. It can be, but most of the time it won't be.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Reflect.

Reflects X% of the damage dealt to a party member to the enemy.

Boom I already designed a better ability than the new ones we are going to get.

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I actually wanted reflect for whm until I thought of the balance nightmare that brings. All of a sudden bosses are killing themselves very fast if they dare aoe the party.

Nidhogg: I'm going to aoe you!!!!!!!!! *nidhogg dies*


Sorry Alpha...it's not as easy as it seems

I think the new whm changes are Amazing!

I'm glad with the changes for White Mage and those reduced CD.
Gonna almost spam some assize ! High healing and dps.

All I need to know now is how all of this will work in battle.
I mean, the only problem i see is that lilies forces us to cast cure and cure ii which is not something we were doing that much with all the regens.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

To keep it short, damage buffs and crit rate buffs would be the best bet, haste perhaps a bit behind those. "Oh but I said you can't copy what AST and SCH does!" Well AST copied SCH there first so... yes you can. (And the DPS jobs have been doing it to each other for a while.) And this is why SCH will keep its place even with AST's 300%+stancebuff shields.

There's been many many suggestions, including adding a buff effect to regen or cure casts. SE just... even if they want to keep WHM a pure healer, making its heals weaker (yet more expensive) than AST is just baffling.

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I'm sorry but you can't make all the healers the same.
You just can't, it would end up to not having a choice anymore.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

I think the new whm changes are Amazing!

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Your CNJ is level 15.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Imagine a 30 yard medica.
Imagine that medica only healed targets that had at least 1 Confession Stack

That's how it works the ability. It's not an AoE heal. It can be, but most of the time it won't be.

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Precisely. You and Sebazy have it correct, given what the tooltip is showing :)