Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

Raen and Xaela have the same model just with a different skin and Viera will have one model cuz it's genderlocked (see thread title)

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I'm saying we only were given one render, xaela and raen both had two renders upon release.

EDIT: Every race has two renders actually.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Man honestly leaks are probably the worst thing to happen to these forums, it makes everyone so frumpy and matter of factly. Just have fun with guesses, jeez.

Again I'm not saying I'm 100% right confirmed, I'm just pointing things out that are a bit inconsistent with the "NO THIS CAN'T HAPPEN EVER" mentality. I don't really care either way since race's never really mean much to me and I'll stick with what I have, I'm honestly more interested in the new job/GUN's trigger mechanic.

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I wasn't trying to respond to you, lol. Someone earlier posted their crystal ball prediction so I did the same. It might come off as "matter of factly" because there are supporting details behind it, but I could be wrong too. I don't even know what you were pointing out, tbh.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I wasn't trying to respond to you, lol. Someone earlier posted their crystal ball prediction so I did the same. It might come off as "matter of factly" because there are supporting details behind it, but I could be wrong too. I don't even know what you were pointing out, tbh.

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No just that a lot of responses since I left seem to just have a very condescending "You're stupid for thinking this" tone to them. I see where the subraces could be indisputable from each other, and I could also so see where they may be unique, my point was that we just don't know there's no need to be so dismissive was all I meant.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I'm saying we only were given one render, xaela and raen both had two renders upon release.

EDIT: Every race has two renders actually.

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Do you mean the male and female? Because that would be coming later... Even if it's in the form of Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Do you mean the male and female? Because that would be coming later... Even if it's in the form of Hrothgar.

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No each race has two renders of male and female subraces.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130407184400 like so.

Viera only has one.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20190202133451

Even if it was genderlocked I feel like they'd at least show the sub race if it was as simplistic as the rava and veena are. Again I'm not saying it means anything concrete I just think it's interesting, they could of course have just been rushed for time but--I feel like if it was so low effort they could have just slapped something on there.

just remember we didn't even see different ear types in the trailer which we know are a thing and they would've wanted to show off since it would be showing more customizing options

We did tho The brown haired Viera had more plain, less fluffy ears than the others.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

just remember we didn't even see different ear types in the trailer which we know are a thing and they would've wanted to show off since it would be showing more customizing options

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We did. We saw three out of the four options.

1. FFXII style ears
2. FF Tactics style ears
3. FFXII style with some Tactics style fluff.

We just haven't seen the floppy ear style.

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

We did tho The brown haired Viera had more plain, less fluffy ears than the others.

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Originally Posted by QuietGlasses

We did. We saw three out of the four options.

1. FFXII style ears
2. FF Tactics style ears
3. FFXII style with some Tactics style fluff.

We just haven't seen the floppy ear style.

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https://i.imgur.com/c6uw6Cf.png

I'm sorry they are the same ears just different coloration even rewatched trailer they stay the same ears throughout so no we haven't seen any other ears on a 3d model yet

Then you weren't paying close enough attention.

http://imgur.com/a/8RS7RTZ

These are different ears.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

https://i.imgur.com/c6uw6Cf.png

I'm sorry they are the same ears just different coloration even rewatched trailer they stay the same ears throughout so no we haven't seen any other ears on a 3d model yet

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I re-watched the trailer and it does look like three different ear styles. The girl with the black hair has very tame looking ears, the pink and white hair looks the same, well the blonde has a lot of fur inside her ears compared to the other three.

probably not. every design decision inspired by FF11 served to bring the game down. FF11 is like the kiss of death and why 1.0 failed.

They definitely showed us 3 of the 4 ears.

https://i.imgur.com/WLengcO.png

1: has a upward and than fanned out tuft at the top, but a small tuft at the bottom.
2: Has a more downward curling tuft at the top, and long tufts along the bottom up to the middle of the ear.
4: No tufts at all, blackened tips.

This lines up with the numbers on the concept art for ears shown here:
https://i.imgur.com/MpBOKGU.png

They all look so similar. Even though the other races don't have many options they still can look really different. The Au'ra faces all look every different

The ears are different bit hard to tell at a quick glance but they are definitely different

Yeah the ears are definitely different.

I threw together some more screencaps in case it still wasn't the most clear. Definitely 3 different types, there's a difference to their overall shapes too, not just the tufts. I also suspect given the concept art that we'll be able to adjust the angle of the ears somewhat, likely in place of ear length like Lalafell/elezen have.

https://i.imgur.com/9pbkDmi.jpg

I’m pretty sure the ears will be like miqos in that they change with hair styles.

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Originally Posted by artyport

I’m pretty sure the ears will be like miqos in that they change with hair styles.

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Unlikely, actually. Most races have roughly the same number of "areas" they can customize. Elezen/lalafell can pick ear types and ear sizes. Au Ra and Miqo'te can pick tails and tail lengths. Hyur and Roegadyn have neither, and it's why they have muscle tone sliders instead. Viera have no tails to customize, and have been shown with 4 distinct ears in concept art labelled separately from the hairstyles. As a result, it's safe to assume that their additional customization option will be ear style, with either an ear size selection, or what I suspect will be an ear angle selection, since we have seen concept art for the same ear styles but at different angles.

What did she say about the 'young elezen' type ears again which seems to be the focus of attention? Did she mention young elezen type body or was she specifically talking about the ears?

If so can - because I'm tired as heck - can someone do a compare on the size of the child elezen ears compared to the adult? I'm assuming the younger elezen has smaller ears, for which if turned upright to sit on top of the head would look extremely small when compared to the ears of an already seen female viera's ears. And of course all of the young elezen I've seen so far have the same ears due to the same model? They'd still be bigger than miqote ears, however. If this is right then the mane of hair would more than likely dominate the 'head' more than the ears. It should be noted that 'hares' have much smaller ears than rabbits and smaller limbs - on the other side they're a lot more muscular.

This of course, is me focusing on the fact she was simply using the 'young elezen' ears as a base mark for the ears... Not their body.

She was talking about customization options for Viera, talking about how they were making variants for the hairstyles to have bangs or no bangs, and then they showed floppy ears to which she confirmed floppy ears would be available. She then said the line that there was a variation that looked like a young elezen. Her words could also be translated to mean combination, not just variation, but that's the way the translator opted to translate it.

Viera already look like elezen, she was in all intents talking about customization features for the viera, and that with their faces and hair they could look like a young elezen (likely with bunny ears). This picture here already looks exactly like an elezen except with bunny ears:
https://i.imgur.com/rIv2vaI.png

We can also see from the Viera reveal trailer that they potentially have quite a diverse range of height available to them. We see a group of them standing together and the two in the back are quite significantly two very different heights despite appearing to be standing on the same elevation. So it's easy to see how picking a certain face and hair, and adjusting a height, one could easily look like a young elezen.

It really feels like people are jumping to conclusions regarding her comment to meaning there was some completely new subrace when that really isn't all that likely.

I think that people forget this is also kind of a performance for the team and that the translators use of words were probably already pre determined. It’s was a cute hint at something.

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Originally Posted by Alesone

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Ah, thank you! Then yes, it does seem like quite a jump to make regarding the young elezen variant then, at least in regards to a subrace.

There did seem to be a big difference in height with the Viera in the video, so the possibility of a larger height scale difference compared to most races? If Hrothgar is the 'male' version then I expect them to also have some sort of similar scale.

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Originally Posted by artyport

I think that people forget this is also kind of a performance for the team and that the translators use of words were probably already pre determined. It’s was a cute hint at something.

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We can't go by that because it can be argued both ways; such as 'this is likely to be our last race' yet we have Hrothgar - or Yoshida's lines on 'gender locking'. And of course when asked about the male his words were to go look at the lore from the dramaturge which didn't give us an answer. So, eh, doubt they had the words predetermined - she was silenced for a reason and the poor woman was extremely nervous.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

What did she say about the 'young elezen' type ears again which seems to be the focus of attention? Did she mention young elezen type body or was she specifically talking about the ears?

If so can - because I'm tired as heck - can someone do a compare on the size of the child elezen ears compared to the adult? I'm assuming the younger elezen has smaller ears, for which if turned upright to sit on top of the head would look extremely small when compared to the ears of an already seen female viera's ears. And of course all of the young elezen I've seen so far have the same ears due to the same model? They'd still be bigger than miqote ears, however. If this is right then the mane of hair would more than likely dominate the 'head' more than the ears. It should be noted that 'hares' have much smaller ears than rabbits and smaller limbs - on the other side they're a lot more muscular.

This of course, is me focusing on the fact she was simply using the 'young elezen' ears as a base mark for the ears... Not their body.

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/373886703 specifically it's from right here.

We've been specifically directed to the in-game text where Viera men are concerned. To me it reads as we're either not getting them at all due to how they 'simply do not exist to us' or we will end up getting them somehow but they'll be the fierce and rugged protectors of the forest that they're described as and implied to be.

"But the lore," I say as I create an Au Ra character at the start of ARR.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

We've been specifically directed to the in-game text where Viera men are concerned. To me it reads as we're either not getting them at all due to how they 'simply do not exist to us' or we will end up getting them somehow but they'll be the fierce and rugged protectors of the forest that they're described as and implied to be.

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yeah the line "searching for them will find disappointment or even death" is a big omen

The creator of Viera went out of his way to make many other elements of Ivalice fit into FFXIV very smoothly. Yet in the case of Viera, he chose to describe the men exactly as they were implemented into FFXII and the other applicable games.

Add to that Yoshi-P stating outright in the past that he found Viera men to be 'weird' the chances aren't looking all that good. I'd say it's best to avoid getting too optimistic to prevent disappointment.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

"But the lore," I say as I create an Au Ra character at the start of ARR.

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Pretty much this.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah the line "searching for them will find disappointment or even death" is a big omen

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Yeah, it's all about how it's interpreted it really.

All I know is that the Imperials surely know they're there - especially those multiple of legions who went into the forest only to be brutalized and I imagine they were brutalized way before they came into contact with the village - otherwise, why let survivors go with that knowledge? While there are female wood-wardens they tend to stick to the village with the males being the outside guard.

I don't know why but the whole imagery of a one-man army just brutalising a whole legion is amazing to me - or even a few of them working together just picking them off one by one Rambo style. And those that left to go join them; were they female wood wardens? Did some of the females hear about these outsiders and decide they wanted to leave? What did the Imperials have to offer that made them want to leave?

I'm hoping to see some Imperial Viera. I'd love to see a Viera male who has reached a high rank in the Imperial army - not because he likes the Empire but right now he believes it's the only way his people and the wood can survive. Heck, i'd settle on a female doing this.

This just spins back to my original point for male viera that I don't understand how we can go into there homeland during wartime and not come across a male Viera who by nature are already aggressive and vicious to outsiders. What would be the lore that would have them be complete 'out of the picture' other than a mass genocide?

The lore we got has the males be described in a lot more detail and has them painted far from 'cute' - I think this was done with intention.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

"But the lore," I say as I create an Au Ra character at the start of ARR.

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The lore isn't there as an excuse to exclude male Viera, it's there as an explanation as why we won't see any. There's a nuance there people can't seem to grasp. If male viera aren't happening, their decisions for doing such are certainly not just the "lore" even if they try to say that, there's certainly a different reason behind the decision. If it happens, we'll see what they have to say about why they went that direction (if they do).

Have you all ever heard of, lion rabbits?

https://cdn0.wideopenpets.com/wp-con...er-770x405.jpg

No, never. Please talk about these lion rabbits in extreme detail.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Have you all ever heard of, lion rabbits?

https://cdn0.wideopenpets.com/wp-con...er-770x405.jpg

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Aye, was brought up before in the thread that male Viera may look like lionhead rabbits, but then that was kind of frowned at due to the whole 'Hrothgar' information. If male Viera were 'Hrothgar' then they would be a subrace - or a different race entirely that breeds with Viera for reproduction and they branch off at maturity.

Shrugs, I suppose if Viera and Hrothgar were like 'Pokemon' then shrug, lol maybe

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah the line "searching for them will find disappointment or even death" is a big omen

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Eh..... not necessarily

It's one thing to say "if you go traipsing through the jungle trying to find one, they'll find you first and kill you on sight" but that doesn't account for male Viera who choose to live a different lifestyle from the path laid out for them. Consider that literally every female Viera we will meet is doing exactly that, leaving a life in nature for one in the city, and it's not impossible to consider there may be males doing the same, especially if we come to learn that there's a hierarchy among male Viera similar to the Miquotes. A male Viera who is further down the pecking order, a beta Viera if you will, might decide that he will have a better chance at a more fulfilling life if he abandons life in the jungle for life in the city.

I still believe that there's a good argument for seeing them in the game.

The same dialogue from the Dramaturge nips that in the bud a bit though. It heavily implies that no male ventures outside of the woods. He says he's never seen, nor known anyone who has, seen a male Viera in the largest city hub nearest to their territory. We know females who venture out wind up there enough to make up a percentage of the population, but he states none of them are males.

Anything is possible but they're definitely laying groundwork to explain why we probably won't see any male Viera. No NPC's or anything. There's little reason for them to paint the absence of male viera in such adamant language that states they are never seen outside of the woods, and even if you go looking for them in the woods you won't find them either. They're that rare/elusive.

I just thought they looked cute

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Originally Posted by Alesone

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Aye; the issue I have with this chap is that he's certainly not the authority on Viera - sure he knows the information but that's that. It's weird because it paints different tales. You go into the wood, you won't see them. You go outside of the wood, you won't see them. Yet we know they exist and are the heavily populated within that woodland area. To the point that we know that when we set foot into the wood during the 24 man that Fran mentioned that they were watching us. She can see them, she knows what to look for. They exist to the females because the females know what the males look like and finally can sense/know where they are.

If they exist to female Viera then why can't a female Viera WoL/WoD not see them when they're in the homeland? Either it's going to be bad writing, the males are 'gone entirely' or they exist.

The Dramaturge is a hyur who is going off his own experiences and those of other races; and the players experience in previous games. If if it was another Viera who said 'they do not exist here' then there you go, that would solidify it.

Now it certainly could be possible that we won't see the males. But the fact they're still on par with rarity with male miqo'te in regards to birthrates that's kinda moot. If they use this for an argument then that's stupidity at its finest as people will just demand the males just like they did with the male kitty bois.

From a story standpoint, it could be explained away that the fact you haven't seen a male is because they don't want to be seen, and those who have seen them - like those imperial units who ended up being slaughtered by them can't return to tell the tale.

It's like Tuskan Raiders in Star Wars; we never see what they look like behind the masks, only their 'clan' has seen their true faces - but we know there's something behind the mask, but heck, you're not going to see that unless you kill one and rip the mask off. And no one has yet to come across a 'dead' male Viera.

As for the woods they inhabit. The dramaturge talks about if you walk into the woods that 'searching for them will find disappointment or even death' - this doesn't make any sense because those woods are a literal death trap. You're not going to walk into those woods in hopes of searching for a male viera because it's extremely likely you're going to end up dead or chased off by something; mostly dead. I remember that forest in FF12 being a no mans land, apart from the Viera, the beasties and some Imperials - I need to go through FF12 again to be sure about this.

In the end, if they weren't going to add male Viera then I'd ask why they even bothered to add in the lore regarding it. Why now? They could have easily just have talked about the females and just the females and left out the large piece of information regarding the genders. Honestly; it would have made more sense for the information to come from Fran - not the dramaturge.

Adding in lore about the males just adds to hype; why hype something if you're going to turn around and go 'nah'? But that's just my thoughts on it all of course.

Actually; can anyone confirm regarding the lore of the male Viera and if there's more lore on the male compared to other races that exist right now?

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Aye, was brought up before in the thread that male Viera may look like lionhead rabbits, but then that was kind of frowned at due to the whole 'Hrothgar' information. If male Viera were 'Hrothgar' then they would be a subrace - or a different race entirely that breeds with Viera for reproduction and they branch off at maturity.

Shrugs, I suppose if Viera and Hrothgar were like 'Pokemon' then shrug, lol maybe

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i did have the thought that Hrothgar was the male clan for viera

all we know from the localization mess up is about the Majestic mane which sure does add to the favor of lions
but its also pretty broad term