Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Ahh, I imagine at most this probably just changes a line or two of dialogue.. I know when I pick the "wrong" choice in quests, they normally spout off real fast about why I'm wrong, then prompts me to try again. These prompts could definitely be used to troll the other players in the Roulette, so I can see why they'd take them out.

With that said, a short timer on any prompts could have been a decent solution. However, for my own needs, I appreciate having to input absolutely nothing while I'm tabbed out waiting for the CS to pass :p

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still would not effect you cuz it would auto in 5 sec anyway (or could have) the biggest complaint i have in regards to it, is that it is removed for the inn as well. I mean.. *throws arms it* it really shows they did not think things though. Also the comment about being alt tabbed.. meaning you are not playing the game.. isn't that a clue how bad this change is?

I'm also sad to see that the dialogue option got removed. For a new player its absence doesn't outweigh the gain of being able to watch the cutscenes, and he did launch into the exact same speech regardless of what you picked, but it's still a loss.

It does seem that their system may only be able to handle an all-or-nothing approach to cutscene playback - judging from the inn cutscenes having the same auto-scroll. There may be no way that they can implement giving players the option to skip or not skip at an instance-by-instance level, even if they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

I'm avoiding Main Scenario queues now simply because of this change. 5-10 mins of actual fighting with new players still unable to keep up to fight the bosses [...]

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But.... new players don't have to keep up? That's the point of this change, they're going to be there and participating in the battles. They might not be doing the same degree of damage as veterans with better equipment, but they're in the fight from start to finish instead of still being in the cutscene, or running through empty corridors trying to find everyone.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

still would not effect you cuz it would auto in 5 sec anyway (or could have) the biggest complaint i have in regards to it, is that it is removed for the inn as well. I mean.. *throws arms it* it really shows they did not think things though. Also the comment about being alt tabbed.. meaning you are not playing the game.. isn't that a clue how bad this change is?

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Yeah, it's speaks wonders for the gameplay that I tab out while running MSQ roulette. But then again, you always hear people commenting how they just watch netflix while crafting / gathering / even dungeoning at times, so not all content. For better or worse, there is a lot of content that people just tab out for. MSQ is just the latest addition to that list. :X

In a perfect world, SE would have made this a solo instance. Maybe in another 4 years they'll figure out a way to make that happen -.-;

Hate it. The option to skip before was better. I'll take the devil I know and would rather have the option to experience all content with a faster queue pop, rather than feeling gated and waiting over 40+ minutes to play a crucial part of the story. Someone said it before, but the "bad ass" moment you had when you completed this old raid was more prominent when this game launched - people's item level nowadays murders all the mobs so quickly the "epicness" is lost because you don't even finish dropping your dots. I look forward to the fix incoming :rolleyes:

Just went in Main scenario without realizing this change... had time to browse internet, get drinks and make food. Unless they increase the amount of exp you get in there I don't think I will be doing that roulette xD

Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes, but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd+ time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.

I hope SE will serious consider revising this change to be something that is more appealing to all players.

Did a Prae run today, it didn't seem too bad beyond one person afking/going offline who eventually got kicked. It was actually amusing talking to some other vet players who didn't remember all the details about what happened. It is sad that the dialouge choices were removed though.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes,but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd+ time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.

I hope SE will serious consider revising this change to be something that is more appealing to all players.

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I support your point, and yes, the lack of choice is the core argument, but the majority of people in this thread are saying "It isn't worth it". Only once it was discovered it affected all instances, even rewatching just the cutscenes, did the outcry change. And there are still people talking of making it "worth the run". Reverting it would make these people happy, but would result in them continuing to rush through the DF queued instances and dragging sprouts along with them in a mishmash of unintelligibly stitched together cutscenes with no context. I agree it should be changed, but currently it benefits the people that particular roulette was created for the most and affects the people interested in xp/tomes per minute the least. They need a fix, but reverting back to the old way seems to me to be the worse impact.

I'd rather it just be forced at minimum ilvl, and boss HP be increased. Even my very first time in there on the day after release, we burned through most fights too quickly to see all phases. It was only after running a friend through it, as a duo, on PLD, that I got to see everything.

And, revise the cutscenes. If it can be covered during the fight, do so. It it's fluff text, cut it. If the reluctant pause is longer than necessary to mark such a pause, quicken it. Hasten transitions.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes, but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd+ time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.

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The whole problem with this type of argument is that it treats sprouts as if they're four year veterans. Sprouts don't know how to use PF and many of them don't know enough people in game to field a party big enough to do this while watching the cutscenes. The game trains them to use DF. So they do.

Saying that it's a "choice" is misleading at best. It's a choice for veterans. It's not a choice for people who don't know any better and do what the game has taught them to do.

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I hope SE will serious consider revising this change to be something that is more appealing to all players.

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Why? SE ultimately doesn't have any reason to care if people can't speedrun this for levelling other jobs. There are lots of other roulettes and methods of doing that. The purpose of this one is to get sprouts through the MSQ. So long as it accomplishes that, there's no reason for them to change anything.