Why Is Dynamis Dead

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

So your arguments have gone from:
Dynamis isn't dead, queue times aren't that bad.
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Ok well just PvP and Alliance raids are bad but it will get better and it's actually not that dead.
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Just give it time, it's dead now but it'll be better in a year.
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Well it's your fault that you fell for moving to a dead DC, you should have known it would be dead and not locked yourself into being stuck on there for 3 months.

It's just a never ending cycle of backpedalling with you

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Well actually the thread has been more like:
-this is why I think dynamis is dead, with proof
-XIV Cultists: NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOT TRUE!!!!!! YOU PHOTOSHOPPED THAT! WHAT JOB WHAT TIME, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE GAME LOOK BAD AAAAAHHHHHH

Its more like the people who are convinced its alive are plugging their ears and screeching for yoshida to save them from the blashemous traitors tarnishing his sacred vision.

I mean I don't really get it but man people cant come to terms with the fact that Dynamis is dead, (which it is)

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Frontline queues can get pretty iffy on established servers depending on where we are in a patch cycle, so whatever, but I don't see how it's disingenuous to be looking at Alliance roulette times. I've only managed to get into Labrinth and Syrcus Tower when I queue, and it's a bit disheartening that it's taking as long as it is to scrape together 24 people, across four servers, who are wanting to run the most basic of raids at any given time.

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We've had several threads about alliance roulette cheese in the last month or so. People are more actively avoiding that roulette. I can't imagine people wanting to take a chance with that on the new DC. As you point out, that's all you can get into. Where's the appeal? My point stands.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I mean I don't really get it but man people cant come to terms with the fact that Dynamis is dead, (which it is)

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You can't come to terms with the fact that it's just a dead time of year and dead time in a patch cycle. You're being unrealistic about the situation.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

We've had several threads about alliance roulette cheese in the last month or so. People are more actively avoiding that roulette. I can't imagine people wanting to take a chance with that on the new DC. As you point out, that's all you can get into. Where's the appeal? My point stands.

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Alliance roulette is a good source of tomes and XP, and it's a popular roulette in general.

I mentioned the CT raids as those are ones that a greater majority of people will have unlocked vs something like Nier or Aglaia, and if even CT raids are struggling to fill, it's not great. It had nothing to do about cheesing ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Frontline queues can get pretty iffy on established servers depending on where we are in a patch cycle, so whatever, but I don't see how it's disingenuous to be looking at Alliance roulette times. I've only managed to get into Labrinth and Syrcus Tower when I queue, and it's a bit disheartening that it's taking as long as it is to scrape together 24 people, across four servers, who are wanting to run the most basic of raids at any given time.

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Dynamis queues are dead, plain and simple. The DC itself is not dead necessarily, but anyone actually wanting to run content goes wherever they were before. The players here largely came here for private housing. More specifically: medium and large private housing.

Unfortunately, Dynamis came too late into the expansion. At best, this DC will fill during future expacs, or if there was hype - similar to last year - that directed players to Dynamis specifically. At worst, depending on how you look at things, they could probably just merge these worlds with the other DCs.

Main appeal to migrate to Dynamis DC? was for players to obtain their own " House ".
Players had plenty reasons to pick Dynamis. Rather it's cause they are new and unknowingly picked a new DC. Players venturing to economicially conquer new marketboards. Established FC's migrating together and obtain a Large FC Plot together. Second highest reason? probably is cause " Dynamis - Seraph " sounded really cool to have with their character name. There are also players who like less overcrowded cities that aren't about naked dancing players, public ERP... in your face... like all the time... everywhere... 24/7...

But the main appeal was obvious, " Housing ".
Thus to the surprise of no one... Players flocked to Dynamis with prepped alt characters, to bid multiple times on FC plots pet alt character in their own created solo FC's to bypass the otherwise private housing lottery competition. Heck, Some? even did this to own houses just to resell them... I don't approve, but is it really a surprise?

Are the servers dead on Dynamis? it's certainly " Less active. "
I reserve " Dead servers " for " Dying Games ", and I been part of a few to not call Dynamis Dead. It's just less active, for now. I found a very lively FC community here. I am not even part of the FC, yet I sometimes partake in the FC events that are open to the entire server and DataCenter. I care not for queue times since I don't rely or want to do them. My main appeal is (Community-Service) Raiding, of which I DC travel to Aether. Did a funny P8S prog to help Zepla a few days ago, and friends on Crystal who honestly do the ame thing - travel to Aether for raiding cause Crystal PF raiding has less, yet we don't call Crystal PF dead either.

• Crystal = primarily the RP DataCenter
• Aether = primarily the Raiding Datacenter
• Primal = a balanced mix of both RP and Raiding
• Dynamis = primarily a Get a House Datacenter

Players will DC travel from Dynamis to any of the other 3 NA DC's to do the activities they desire to do if they can't do them on Dynamis, making Dynamis's queue times longer, their PF the most empty.

Dynamis aside from being new? only has 4 servers. However? 4 new servers will be added and players will flock to it for the same opportunistic reason... " To obtain a Plot of land for the House they never we able to get".

It takes time for something to flourish, just like a new DataCenter with Communities to grow. Although players should have had those expectations migrating to Dynamis ,it isn't rocket science... its to be expected. I'm happy on Dynamis, I finally have my Large house... I found new friends and I found friendly FC's to do activities with if I ever want to.

So some might call this place dead? I call it " Home ".

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Alliance roulette is a good source of tomes and XP, and it's a popular roulette in general.

I mentioned the CT raids as those are ones that a greater majority of people will have unlocked vs something like Nier or Aglaia, and if even CT raids are struggling to fill, it's not great. It had nothing to do about cheesing ilvl.

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*taking that poster seriously*
No point in banging your head against a brick wall like that. Just laugh at the hot takes around here and enjoy yourself!

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

So some might call this place dead? I call it " Home ".

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Yes, home, where you have to make a PF to get through the MSQ or Side content, because otherwise you sit in a 4 hour queue that doesn't pop. Where there's 4 players max in the southern front AFKing waiting for a duel or CE to spawn and then 1 guy trying to do Fates.
This is definitely not a poorly thought out expansion of servers that makes it difficult to complete content, and requires you to spend 10 minutes DC travelling every hour to go do content on crystal, then go back to dynamis every time for retainers over and over.
For a company and a game this size, it's pretty unacceptable for them to just leave a whole DC hanging like this without any effort to seed it, and the people who tell everyone to just leave to do any content are probably just as bad, since they're actively reducing how many people queue for any given roulette.

If all Dynamis was supposed to be was housing overflow, then they could have just added more wards, like they're doing right now, except they could have announced it before they locked people into a data center that was dead for 3 months.

Keep acting like this wasn't supposed to launch with a major patch. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

[B]MSo some might call this place dead? I call it " Home ".

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I love it here and well said.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*taking that poster seriously*
No point in banging your head against a brick wall like that. Just laugh at the hot takes around here and enjoy yourself!

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One day I'll learn! D:

To be quite honest, even if Dynamis is more inactive to the other established servers (I don't like to use the term dead), who cares?

With the availability of data travel center, it's not like there's any content in the game you are prevented from doing due to it having less player population since you can just hop to other DCs to either RP/raid/PvP etc.

It's not like you are trapped only Dynamis and have to beg people to join your party to do stuff (Materia on the other hand oof).

Seriously, this is so like making a mountain out of a molehill.

"Why won't anybody come to this server"
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"This server is dead, stay away"

I couldn't care less about the population to be really honest.

I transferred for housing and I got my dream houses.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

I couldn't care less about the population to be really honest.

I transferred for housing and I got my dream houses.

:)

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Yes and the DC will fill in nicely over time. It's not something that will happen overnight and DC travel will at least enable people to get their content done until the DC has had a change to grow.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

To be quite honest, even if Dynamis is more inactive to the other established servers (I don't like to use the term dead), who cares?

With the availability of data travel center, it's not like there's any content in the game you are prevented from doing due to it having less player population since you can just hop to other DCs to either RP/raid/PvP etc.

It's not like you are trapped only Dynamis and have to beg people to join your party to do stuff (Materia on the other hand oof).

Seriously, this is so like making a mountain out of a molehill.

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Except that DC travel locks us out of communicating with our home DC. That means no FC, no linkshell, no tells. That locks us out of the community aspect of this game, turning it into a solo-queue game.

I understand that many people like this because they keep their communities on other platforms or games that they engage with more often. However, this will become detrimental in time, as you will see in the coming years. In-game communities help player retention rates. Over time, the population of FFXIV will dwindle until Square Enix stops publishing subscriber numbers. Queues will die and your friends will stop logging on.

There’s a reason why many online games invest in their social features. It’s why we have a Community Finder. While many people don’t care much about these features, they’re necessary for an online game to thrive. Every other major online game has friends or guilds as a core feature. Why not us? Is Square Enix too poor of a company to figure this out?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yes and the DC will fill in nicely over time. It's not something that will happen overnight and DC travel will at least enable people to get their content done until the DC has had a change to grow.

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DC travel (log out) (log in)
is a pain (log out) (log in)
when you (log out) (log in)
have to keep moving DCs for retainers and FC then going back for content multiple times an hour.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

DC travel (log out) (log in)
is a pain (log out) (log in)
when you (log out) (log in)
have to keep moving DCs for retainers and FC then going back for content multiple times an hour.

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I do it all the time for Dynamis and other servers. I just did it for 3 low levels and my 90 level main there to do PVP on Siren. I even bring my Balmung toons there as well when I'm in the mood. It's not a big deal. For you it seems to be but it is fast and efficient and it lets me play with friends I have on other servers. I talk to my old FC mates in linkshell and on Discord.

Personally I'm only doing PVP these days and granted the PF on Dynamis is pretty dead but that won't be forever it'll grow and prosper soon enough. If you expected a fully functioning DC well you were overly optimistic and never really experienced Server Growth before. The xp buff works off server which is a big plus.

Dynamis will be fine, it's Materia that has the issues right now. If you're not patient and want to give up your house and move back well that's on you.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

DC travel (log out) (log in)
is a pain (log out) (log in)
when you (log out) (log in)
have to keep moving DCs for retainers and FC then going back for content multiple times an hour.

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Plan things out better? I doubt anyone serious about traveling for duties is hopping back and forth every hour. If you're leveling retainers, send them on 18 hour ventures.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Plan things out better? I doubt anyone serious about traveling for duties is hopping back and forth every hour. If you're leveling retainers, send them on 18 hour ventures.

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I have to hop, especially during this Moogle event. If I saty onSeraph and queue for Praetorium, it's an hour queue. On Crystal, 5 minutes. Are you kidding me? Dynamis is dead. Put a fork in it.

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

I have to hop, especially during this Moogle event. If I saty onSeraph and queue for Praetorium, it's an hour queue. On Crystal, 5 minutes. Are you kidding me? Dynamis is dead. Put a fork in it.

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Main Scenario queues on Dynamis is ~5 minutes.

I don't really know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Main Scenario queues on Dynamis is ~5 minutes.

I don't really know what you are talking about.

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Literally if you go as role in need it's almost always an insta-queue for me. Speaking from yesterday, the only one that took longer than insta or 5m was Normal Raid. I even managed to get lucky with a pretty quick Alliance Raid queue.

I wasn't going to post in here anymore as I have better things to do with my life than argue with people who are deadset on the DC becoming dead (not sorry if that offends anyone) but as I said earlier:

Some of yall get so dramatic about/overexaggerate the situation. The post before mine is a great case and point of one person exaggerating the situation for whatever reason and another speaking the reality that the queues dont take an hour. Lol.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Literally if you go as role in need it's almost always an insta-queue for me. Speaking from yesterday, the only one that took longer than insta or 5m was Normal Raid. I even managed to get lucky with a pretty quick Alliance Raid queue.

I wasn't going to post in here anymore as I have better things to do with my life than argue with people who are deadset on the DC becoming dead (not sorry if that offends anyone) but as I said earlier:

Some of yall get so dramatic about/overexaggerate the situation. The post before mine is a great case and point of one person exaggerating the situation for whatever reason and another speaking the reality that the queues dont take an hour. Lol.

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I queued Alliance raid as a level 90 healer while healer was in need and got a 35 minute queue last night. At 9PM. I queued MSQ as a level 90 healer with healer in need and had a 25 minute queue.
It is nowhere near instant queues anywhere on the data center.

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

I have to hop, especially during this Moogle event. If I saty onSeraph and queue for Praetorium, it's an hour queue. On Crystal, 5 minutes. Are you kidding me? Dynamis is dead. Put a fork in it.

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It's not dead, it's growing. Educate yourself of the difference so you don't embarass yourself in the future

I was spamming Brayflox hardmode with around a 5 min wait in-between. Msq as dps takes about 5 mins as well. I'm not going to lie Zepla joining my server seems to have helped beef it up. It's not Aether stuffed to the absolute brim, but it's good. And I like how small it is now from a commuinty aspect now. I've spent so much time on Crystal and Aether just being a invisible ant. It's weird given that I was orginally one of the doom and gloomers.

I guess I don't really understand. It's like moving to a new suburb that only has 30% of the houses built and being frustrated that the neighbourhood feels empty. Of course it feels empty, it's brand new and it's during the slowest point in the patch. I would have thought that was part of the point of moving, to have that growing small town vibe.

I think Dynamis is in good shape now.

Seraph is already completely out of personal housing plots despite being only slightly more than a month old.

Whereas if you look at the new EU worlds and Materia which are established much earlier than Dynamis, it's still a barren wasteland in their housing districts.

If anything, we should be trying to solve the population issues over there instead and question if there's really a need for a whole new data center on EU next year.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

If anything, we should be trying to solve the population issues over there instead and question if there's really a need for a whole new data center on EU next year.

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If I remember correctly, EU is working off older hardware that can't handle as many concurrent logins as the hardware for the other regions. It's the concurrent logins that have spurred SE to add the new worlds and data centers. That way we shouldn't have a repeat of Endwalker launch when it's 7.0's turn.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Some of yall get so dramatic about/overexaggerate the situation. The post before mine is a great case and point of one person exaggerating the situation for whatever reason and another speaking the reality that the queues dont take an hour. Lol.

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They’re not exaggerating at all. In fact, the “anti-naysayers” will gladly agree that Dynamis is slow.

And that’s a good thing (according to them). That’s how it’s supposed to be.

If you insist that queues on Dynamis are fast like the other DCs, you’re directly clashing with the slow and “small town” vibe that people are looking for:

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

it’s almost always an insta-queue for me. Speaking from yesterday, the only one that took longer than insta or 5m was Normal Raid.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I guess I don't really understand. It's like moving to a new suburb that only has 30% of the houses built and being frustrated that the neighbourhood feels empty. Of course it feels empty, it's brand new and it's during the slowest point in the patch. I would have thought that was part of the point of moving, to have that growing small town vibe.

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I think some of the defenses for Square Enix are being made simply to shield the company for the sake of it.

Not to necro the thread, but as someone who plays on Maduin, I think people jumping ship to "better" servers is also an issue with queue times. Nobody wants to wait so they selfishly go to "better" realms and queue there for faster queues. I just feel like unless we get actual proper cross data center duty queuing, the problem will just get worse. Once the 90 days is up, most people will leave. And Dynamis will stagnant. Sure, eventually, it will fill up. I've noticed loads of actual new players. I love it because they chose to be here to play, so they aren't jaded and looking to leave. I just feel like the more I try to understand this community, all I see is selfishness. I mean, I know people are selfish, but they constantly tell me it will get better while constantly leaving to go to other servers to do everything. They don't care about their server. They care about their progress. I don't know shower thought ramblings of an idiot maybe, but it's how I feel.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Not to necro the thread, but as someone who plays on Maduin, I think people jumping ship to "better" servers is also an issue with queue times. Nobody wants to wait so they selfishly go to "better" realms and queue there for faster queues. I just feel like unless we get actual proper cross data center duty queuing, the problem will just get worse. Once the 90 days is up, most people will leave. And Dynamis will stagnant. Sure, eventually, it will fill up. I've noticed loads of actual new players. I love it because they chose to be here to play, so they aren't jaded and looking to leave. I just feel like the more I try to understand this community, all I see is selfishness. I mean, I know people are selfish, but they constantly tell me it will get better while constantly leaving to go to other servers to do everything. They don't care about their server. They care about their progress. I don't know shower thought ramblings of an idiot maybe, but it's how I feel.

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It helps that their choices are limited by most of the other worlds, and an entire datacenter, are not allowing character creation.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Not to necro the thread, but as someone who plays on Maduin, I think people jumping ship to "better" servers is also an issue with queue times. Nobody wants to wait so they selfishly go to "better" realms and queue there for faster queues. I just feel like unless we get actual proper cross data center duty queuing, the problem will just get worse. Once the 90 days is up, most people will leave. And Dynamis will stagnant. Sure, eventually, it will fill up. I've noticed loads of actual new players. I love it because they chose to be here to play, so they aren't jaded and looking to leave. I just feel like the more I try to understand this community, all I see is selfishness. I mean, I know people are selfish, but they constantly tell me it will get better while constantly leaving to go to other servers to do everything. They don't care about their server. They care about their progress. I don't know shower thought ramblings of an idiot maybe, but it's how I feel.

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From what I've seen, a lot of the "new players" are just alt characters of people who wanted the free game time or another house.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

It helps that their choices are limited by most of the other worlds, and an entire datacenter, are not allowing character creation.

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Very true, but the problem of leaving for faster queues seems more the concern. It really shouldn't be a thing that I can jump to Aether and queue. It shouldn't matter what server I am on. At this point our servers are just names next to our character names. They've eroded any sort of server identity long ago. It seems rather pointless to have that barrier as well. Maybe soon they will add it. Let's hope for so for the sake of Dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Very true, but the problem of leaving for faster queues seems more the concern. It really shouldn't be a thing that I can jump to Aether and queue. It shouldn't matter what server I am on. At this point our servers are just names next to our character names. They've eroded any sort of server identity long ago. It seems rather pointless to have that barrier as well. Maybe soon they will add it. Let's hope for so for the sake of Dynamis.

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They should make some kind of small reward for running content on your home data center, whether gil or clusters, or XP. As it stands now, having a dynamis character gives you the road to 80 buff on every server. Some reason to stay specifically on your home DC would fix this, you'd want to stay on your home DC but could move if you needed to.
It would also help fill out certain side content that people seem to DC travel for, and player numbers suffer, like Bozja, Eureka, and Hunts. Last time I went into Dynamis Bozja, it was 2 people and me in the southern front for 2 hours. That pretty much makes CLL, DR, and Dal impossible to run without traveling to another DC, and there's no reason for people to stay if everyone else is going to travel for it.

I am still confused with the initial mania of rushing into a backup storage DC spun up just in case 7.0 might kill the servers again.
It is the California City, California of data centers.

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Originally Posted by Ayche

I am still confused with the initial mania of rushing into a backup storage DC spun up just in case 7.0 might kill the servers again.
It is the California City, California of data centers.

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Housing

I got the best large in the game with no competition.

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Originally Posted by Ayche

I am still confused with the initial mania of rushing into a backup storage DC spun up just in case 7.0 might kill the servers again.
It is the California City, California of data centers.

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People have been asking when housing would be fixed for years now and the response was that you get in at Dynamis launch or you stop complaining about housing.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

From what I've seen, a lot of the "new players" are just alt characters of people who wanted the free game time or another house.

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Unfortunately I recently joined one of those alt free companies. Good people mind you it's just not enjoyable to play with people who only play on their alt when they feel like. Again nice people it's just when you are alone like 95% of the time playing it doesn't feel like much of a free company.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Not to necro the thread, but as someone who plays on Maduin, I think people jumping ship to "better" servers is also an issue with queue times. Nobody wants to wait so they selfishly go to "better" realms and queue there for faster queues. I just feel like unless we get actual proper cross data center duty queuing, the problem will just get worse. Once the 90 days is up, most people will leave. And Dynamis will stagnant. Sure, eventually, it will fill up. I've noticed loads of actual new players. I love it because they chose to be here to play, so they aren't jaded and looking to leave. I just feel like the more I try to understand this community, all I see is selfishness. I mean, I know people are selfish, but they constantly tell me it will get better while constantly leaving to go to other servers to do everything. They don't care about their server. They care about their progress. I don't know shower thought ramblings of an idiot maybe, but it's how I feel.

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I agree that the option to DC hop hurts of queue times, but I feel forcing people to queue locally would hurt Dynamis far more as people would just refuse to make a character here. Not everyone has hours of time to play each day, and certain queues can easily eat up 30+ minutes (and usually far, far, longer). I was sitting in alliance roulette yesterday for over 45 minutes before it popped. I've had an alliance queue that took almost 4 hours. Earlier in the week I was trying to clear some of the ShB & SB raids for glams, and even with 5 items selected, it was still showing over 30+ minutes. I finally moved as I didn't have that much actual playtime at that moment.

Also, the queue times lie. I can't tell you how many times I've queued up for something and it will initially show less than 5 minutes, only for it to grow to over an hour. The opposite has also happened, shows like a 20 minute wait, only for it to pop sooner....but that is faaaaar more rare in my personal experience.

I personally will queue locally when I can, but I can't fault anyone for actually moving to be able to get things done in a timely manner vs staying for the "needs of the DC". I don't think that means they're selfish. We don't owe anyone or the DC our free time to just sit around in a queue. Do I hope more people will queue locally? Yes, of course. And I'm optimistic that with time it will continue to get better. It's already better than it was a month ago, but it's just going to be a slow process.

Cross-DC queueing when? :3

I prefer to queue on Dynamis when I can. Sometimes the queues can pop fairly regularly now, at certain times. I was able to do every roulette last night on Dynamis. Select things good luck with those ever popping, or certain things you need to directly queue for.

In general though, the queue times do lie, same with the adventurer in need, it seems. It's all over the place.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I agree that the option to DC hop hurts of queue times, but I feel forcing people to queue locally would hurt Dynamis far more as people would just refuse to make a character here. Not everyone has hours of time to play each day, and certain queues can easily eat up 30+ minutes (and usually far, far, longer). I was sitting in alliance roulette yesterday for over 45 minutes before it popped. I've had an alliance queue that took almost 4 hours. Earlier in the week I was trying to clear some of the ShB & SB raids for glams, and even with 5 items selected, it was still showing over 30+ minutes. I finally moved as I didn't have that much actual playtime at that moment.

Also, the queue times lie. I can't tell you how many times I've queued up for something and it will initially show less than 5 minutes, only for it to grow to over an hour. The opposite has also happened, shows like a 20 minute wait, only for it to pop sooner....but that is faaaaar more rare in my personal experience.

I personally will queue locally when I can, but I can't fault anyone for actually moving to be able to get things done in a timely manner vs staying for the "needs of the DC". I don't think that means they're selfish. We don't owe anyone or the DC our free time to just sit around in a queue. Do I hope more people will queue locally? Yes, of course. And I'm optimistic that with time it will continue to get better. It's already better than it was a month ago, but it's just going to be a slow process.

Cross-DC queueing when? :3

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No I agree with you. I just feel like a lot of people say they're trying to help, but they exclusively queue on other servers. I had a few people in my old FC do that. It was faster to jump over to Aether then wait 20 mins for a healer queue. I understand their frustrations. Like you said forcing people isn't the best option. I agree with that. I just wish people understood what datacenter hoping does to Dynamis. I'm not anti people playing with their friends, but in a lot of ways datacenter travel hurts us more than it helps them. I wish it didn't but that's the truth. But I think as long as we stick to our guns and at least try queue here when we can we can make a difference. If not for us than for others. But I'm no server architect. I'm just a man who wants to help anyway I can to make this place more of a home.