Building a better Alphinaud

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

I know I'm just replying to the last entry of your post, but this is really something that annoys me about most MMORPG's; the idea that "bookworms"(casters) should be skinny and frail
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The words you are looking for are "lithe and limber", not "skinny and frail". "Lithe" referring to the athletic grace of a person, "limber" referring to a resilient mind.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

On the contrary, it makes perfect sense as an option.

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Eldtagg explicitly says "works out a little" with slim arms and 20% body fat. Not a powerlifter or a powerfully built and active man with a healthy layer of fat.

Could there be more character customization options? Sure, I guess. Does their NEED to be more character customization options and is FFXIV missing out on a large chunk of potential players because of it? No.

Besides, if you want that body type, there's the Vanu Vanu outfit.

The perceived lack of character creation options has consistently been a common criticism of the game over the years, though. It just so happens that whenever anyone suggests that maybe some more time and effort could be put into expanding the range of options available to those of us who appreciate masculinity the suggestions are shot down - mysteriously quite often by those who seem to drift towards feminine and/or androgynous aesthetics themselves.

Let's not forget that more facial hair options were a common request for years and yet Yoshi-P was surprised that people wanted it - suggesting that feedback related to such things simply isn't reaching him for whatever reason. Yet to his credit, it took a while but he added a new stubble option for Midlander men which has proven to be very successful based on the amount of Midlanders sporting it - my own included.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The perceived lack of character creation options has consistently been a common criticism of the game over the years, though. It just so happens that whenever anyone suggests that maybe some more time and effort could be put into expanding the range of options available to those of us who appreciate masculinity the suggestions are shot down - mysteriously quite often by those who seem to drift towards feminine and/or androgynous aesthetics themselves.

Let's not forget that more facial hair options were a common request for years and yet Yoshi-P was surprised that people wanted it - suggesting that feedback related to such things simply isn't reaching him for whatever reason. Yet to his credit, it took a while but he added a new stubble option for Midlander men which has proven to be very successful based on the amount of Midlanders sporting it - my own included.

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Highlander Hyurs and Male Roegadyn are RIGHT THERE. They're about as testosterone-fueled as you could want with burly muscles, beards, dreadlocks, tanned skin and everything. I've never seen hide or hair of these complaints you've spoken of and I doubt it's because of people shouting them down.

Rogadyne character is closest to the Father Body and let you do the lose hair option when character age increase. But the player do not appreciate power of true muscle and they always pick the puny man instead. I want the big jaw choice to be like famous wrestler smiling in the picture though because the jaw is too small.

Elfman character are right size in tall but are hungry because no food to eat and spend too much time to read the Ishguard politics. Cannot go to gym without the bulk too! Player does not know this because just become strong in game and not in the life. Alphanaud does not know this because he spend all time the reading slice of the life manga. Even red Alphanaud make fun of this.

The writer must make story where we train the Alphanaud to become strong and bulk into the Rogadyne like the Grand Company Gym where team does the pushups.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

Highlander Hyurs and Male Roegadyn are RIGHT THERE. They're about as testosterone-fueled as you could want with burly muscles, beards, dreadlocks, tanned skin and everything. I've never seen hide or hair of these complaints you've spoken of and I doubt it's because of people shouting them down.

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Highlander and Roegadyn men do not resemble the likes of Basch, Gladio or Snow. The former have great physiques but the lack of eyebrows makes them look unappealing to many of us and there's arguably something 'off' about their faces. Roegadyn, meanwhile, are seen as awkwardly proportioned.

Whether the update to the older character models remedies the situation or not remains to be seen, though more options is rarely a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

I know I'm just replying to the last entry of your post, but this is really something that annoys me about most MMORPG's; the idea that "bookworms"(casters) should be skinny and frail

You want to have a strong mind? Then build your body. Having a strong body is the very foundation for evolving your brain.

A great bookworm is someone that would both hit the books and the gym.

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Strongly agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Highlander and Roegadyn men do not resemble the likes of Basch, Gladio or Snow. The former have great physiques but the lack of eyebrows makes them look unappealing to many of us and there's arguably something 'off' about their faces. Roegadyn, meanwhile, are seen as awkwardly proportioned.

Whether the update to the older character models remedies the situation or not remains to be seen, though more options is rarely a bad thing.

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There are au ra, which combine powerful bodies with good faces, but those come with the scales, horns and tails, which is not to everyone's taste. At this point, what we need is enhanced character customisation.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

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That exactly what I said though?

I said that I am not looking for a dadbod. What I did say is that it is completely unfeasible that WoL would be able to keep up 8% bodyfat with the life they live.

Look, you can workout as much as you want at the gym, but without the correct regiment; training/eating and cutting every single bad stuf like alcohol and sugar also add 8 hours quality sleep every single day you won\\'t ever look toned and lean.

You will look doughy and soft like most people that run or lift weights 4 days a week do.

Our bodies adapt to what we are doing constantly to make the next repetition/swordslinging easier to handle.
How you build muscles is that you "shock" the muscle as Arnold says; you constantly switch up your routine so the muscle never know what is going to hit it.

This is difficult because we are creatures of habit and most people do not want to feel like they are about to die every single workout day.

You are also not going to swing around your weapons on a constant state of 8% bodyfat because you need the fat storage and water storage for the body to be able to function under stress for longer times.

Also low water weight is dangerous and is something you only do for competitions.

Actors uses more performance enhancers than you think to be able to get in shape for their roles.
Case in point; why are wrestlers like Kevin Owens able to run around with the likes of The Rock? Because they specifically have trained to perform in a small square circle.

Is Kevin Owens able to keep up with a marathon runner? Absolutely not, but Kevin Owens is a much more realistic bodytype for our WoL than you may think.

The He-Man /She-Ra body and 8% is completely unrealistic for our guys/gals if we are going with semantics.

I'm not asking for dadbod, I am asking for a masculine option instead of the teenage Ken-dolls we have.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Let's not forget that more facial hair options were a common request for years and yet Yoshi-P was surprised that people wanted it - suggesting that feedback related to such things simply isn't reaching him for whatever reason. Yet to his credit, it took a while but he added a new stubble option for Midlander men which has proven to be very successful based on the amount of Midlanders sporting it - my own included.

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Unfortunately my face did not get the option for a stubble.

I'd love to be able to have the beard I have and a check stubble and real eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I thought representation was important?

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Why do you care, though? Because going by your posts in other threads, you're steadfastly against adding LGBT and minority characters strictly for the purposes of representation.

Once again, you're bringing up a perceived "double standard" which you're only against when it stops you from getting what YOU want.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

Unfortunately my face did not get the option for a stubble.

I'd love to be able to have the beard I have and a check stubble and real eyebrows.

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Hopefully it'll be expanded to the other Hyur faces. I think the other playable races would look decent with it as an option too. Especially the 'Nunh' face for Miqo'te.

The option to be able to adjust it at the aesthetician would be nice as well, though I guess that'd eat into fantasia sales...

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Why do you care, though? Because going by your posts in other threads, you're steadfastly against adding LGBT and minority characters strictly for the purposes of representation.

Once again, you're bringing up a perceived "double standard" which you're only against when it stops you from getting what YOU want.

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I'm genuinely asking here; how would a LGBT character added to the cast work like?

Not trolling, just a 'boring' straight male interested to hear ideas.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

I'm genuinely asking here; how would a LGBT character added to the cast work like?

Not trolling, just a 'boring' straight male interested to hear ideas.

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So, you know how Thancred in ARR and post ARR is pictured surrounded by women, as a womanizer, with multiple female partners vying for his attention as he struggles to get his story straight in regards to wooing more than one at a time?

And how multiple characters at multiple points in the story consistently point out Thancreds womanizing ways?

That's how adding an LGBT character to the cast could work.

Oh, but they don't have to be such an overt womanizer/maninizer (xD) like Thancred!
Maybe they have a childhood friend who is also a romantic partner.

Or a perceived QPP (Queerplatonic Partnership) with a side character.

Or a crush on someone.

Or they don't say anything at all but someone notes that they used to have a partner. And [gendered pronoun]'s name was [insert name].

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

I'm genuinely asking here; how would a LGBT character added to the cast work like?

Not trolling, just a 'boring' straight male interested to hear ideas.

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Just a shot in the dark here:

"Zann is a Viera that was assigned the male gender at birth, but identifies as female. This caused a kerfuffle in the matriarchal Viera society, with some opposed to granting someone with an outwardly male physique the traditional roles of a female, but others willing to give her a chance. Zann is eager to prove that she is up to the task, however, and is eager to learn and grow as an adventurer."

Just off the top of my head. That could be an interesting dynamic for a character.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

I'm genuinely asking here; how would a LGBT character added to the cast work like?

Not trolling, just a 'boring' straight male interested to hear ideas.

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As a minor character? Have a random NPC talk about how his husband loves [local food item] or her wife is a monster hunter. The couple involved in unlocking Wanderer's Palace Hard is a good example - it's not egregious, but they do make it clear that they're in a relationship. (One of them mentions being thrown out of their village for being in an interracial relationship, so it is canon that they're a couple.)

If they wanted to really push it? Have Thancred mention hooking up with guys as well as girls during that phase where he was picking up tons of people in bars. Have Y'shtola say something about being a Tia when she was sent to Matoya, and transitioning using magic while she was there.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Just a shot in the dark here:

"Zann is a Viera that was assigned the male gender at birth, but identifies as female. This caused a kerfuffle in the matriarchal Viera society, with some opposed to granting someone with an outwardly male physique the traditional roles of a female, but others willing to give her a chance. Zann is eager to prove that she is up to the task, however, and is eager to learn and grow as an adventurer."

Just off the top of my head. That could be an interesting dynamic for a character.

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Can there be an issue with this type of character where their sexuality is too much 'in your face'.

I for instance is married to my wife IRL and we both agree that we share everything evenly.
Me being straight does not define me as a person. It's not what makes me, well.. me.

Wife would agree on that note.

I do not introduce me with name and make a note of 'btw I am straight'.

We recently watched the Lightyear movie and we both felt that it was incredibly 'token' that Buzz's commander was in a relationship with a woman because if she was straight, the movie would probably not even make a note of it.

I absolutely think that same gender relationship should be in videogames and treated the same as any sexuality, but when it becomes the thing that defines a character... haven't we failed at writing a compelling character then?

For me that feels kinda like the early 2000s when every video game character was the 'light-skinned angry buzz cut male' character.

No offence meant from me. I think it's very important that we can add mlre representation as long as its made tasteful and realistic.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

Can there be an issue with this type of character where their sexuality is too much 'in your face'.

I for instance is married to my wife IRL and we both agree that we share everything evenly.
Me being straight does not define me as a person. It's not what makes me, well.. me.

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Question: do you think Urianger's implied romance with Moenbryda is "in our face"?

Or Cirilla's crush on Hien?

Or Lamitt's crush on Ardbert?

Or Runar's crush on Y'shtola?

Or, hell, Magnai's constant attempts to find his Naama?

If the answer to any or all of these is "No", then you can do the same thing with a character that isn't straight.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Runar's crush on Y'shtola?

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Most definitely yes. This one was incredibly egregious.

The rest? Not really. In fact, i'd venture to say they're all in your head(canon). Which is to say, since it's up for interpretation, the writer did a much better job with them (except Magnai being a joke).

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

Most definitely yes. This one was incredibly egregious.

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It's probably because it came across REALLY WEIRD in the English version. The Japanese version has none of the silly (fail) romance undertone like the English localization is. In the Japanese VO, Runar treat Y'shtola more like an elder sister, and if we gonna meme, his reaction is more like a desperate underclassman with a "notice me senpai!" thing.

It's well know that the English localization takes a lot of liberty at translation, but sometime it goes far enough to actually change the impression about a character. And Y'shtola is usually the prime example for this (for some reason). I can't speak for other language, but the English Y'shtola is about 300% more sassy comparing to the Japanese version. In the Japanse dialogue she talk more like a sage would (which in the lore her supposed class/role), she talks more like a mage in English.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Question: do you think Urianger's implied romance with Moenbryda is "in our face"?*


Or Cirilla's crush on Hien?*


Or Lamitt's crush on Ardbert?


Or Runar's crush on Y'shtola?


Or, hell, Magnai's constant attempts to find his Naama?*


If the answer to any or all of these is "No", then you can do the same thing with a character that isn't straight.

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Runar and Little Sun Magnai?*

Absolutely, very obvious.

My favorite two major characters in GW2 is Marjory and Kasmeer.*

Marjory is the 'brooding gunslinger strong type' and Kasmeer start as the 'blonde cheerleader with a big heart and expressiv emotions', but during our travels they both grow past those traits and we learn who they truly are behind their masks.

Tragedy struck and Marjorys anger/sorrow over her sister Belinda makes her wall off her emotions toward Kasmeer and push her away.*

In they end they both have managed to beat their own demons which culminating *spoilers* into them finally have their wedding which is a huge character development for both of them. They both had grown as individuals.

I really loved everything with those two because their relationship wasn't forced or woke. They weren't the straight males fantasy either, ok maybe outfit-wise, but it was presented very natural and you didn't even had a thought about that they both were women.

Their story showed hardship, to not have the ability to open up to your partner about your anger/sorrow. To not want to be 'pitied' and emotionally close.*

Very human interaction.

ArenaNet did not make Marjory and Kasmeer's sexyality/gender the centerpiece. They made the characters and what happened to them the focus.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I can't speak for other language, but the English Y'shtola is about 300% more sassy comparing to the Japanese version.

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"- You and i will speak later!" *ohshieeet*

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

Runar and Little Sun Magnai?*

Absolutely, very obvious.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

I really loved everything with those two because their relationship wasn't forced or woke.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

ArenaNet did not make Marjory and Kasmeer's sexyality/gender the centerpiece. They made the characters and what happened to them the focus.

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I don't bother with arguments regarding "forcedness" or "wokeness" because there's always going to be somebody that finds ANY level of exposure "forced" or "woke".

The reason I presented a number of different hetero relationships in my last post was to demonstrate how many different "levels" of them there are within FFXIV, with most of them being well-received. Even when it comes to Magnai and Runar, people typically find them entertaining even if it means laughing at Magnai getting rejected or going "Awwww" when Runar tries flirting with Y'shtola. You and other people may find these relationships to be "in your face" and "egregious" (and I actually agree, personally) but the general attitude towards them is positive at best and indifferent at worst.

So, to repeat what I said...you can do all of these exact same things with LGBT characters. I would personally avoid going the Magnai route if that's the ONLY representation (after all, if Magnai was the only heterosexual man in the game, it would appear to be demonizing male sexuality), but if there are a few "alternatives", then sure...even that could be fun.

Idk, if folks want buff bois (we already have them but oke) in the game for representation sake at that point ANYTHING goes. I don't like it BUT that's only fair

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Originally Posted by tokinokanatae

Alphinaud is my favorite of the two twins and I have no problems with his development such as it is in the game. I've liked him since his introduction as an arrogant little dipstick in ARR, through his journey in Heavensward, and beyond as he settles into a more diplomatic role. I think the game was smart to allow him to take a more subdued position in Stormblood, but I do miss him feeling like he's one of my "core" party members. I have my issues with the Scions in Endwalker, but I think Alisaie's speeches were more egregious than his as far as any complaints I might have.

I am relieved they haven't brought the twins back into the story yet after my Scions overload but I am slowly reaching the point where I'm getting curious about what they've been working on in Garlemald and, when we do see Alphinaud again, I believe it'll be a happy reunion for my WoL.

In short, I don't agree that Alphinaud really needs "fixing" in the first place.

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At least Alphinaud has been growing throughout our journey. Alisaie I've always had an issue with. Her core character though just irritates me to no end.

I don't want to delve too deeply into some of the other topics mentioned other than to say some of y'all have a lot more faith in the writers to pull off more serious/delicate subjects than I do, especially after EW.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

Look, you can workout as much as you want at the gym, but without the correct regiment; training/eating and cutting every single bad stuf like alcohol and sugar also add 8 hours quality sleep every single day you won't ever look toned and lean.

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Oh good, somebody already said it. You can't out-exercise a bad diet. If the WoL ate at Last Stand every day they'd realistically probably have a 'dad bod' despite everything else they do.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

At least Alphinaud has been growing throughout our journey. Alisaie I've always had an issue with. Her core character though just irritates me to no end.

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Alphinaud's character development seems to have stopped in HW and outright regressed in EW. Alisaie I've felt has been a constant, which works for her because she's driven by emotions rather than ideals, but based on Garlemald it seems like they're wanting to make her Alphinaud 2.0 which I am not interested in at all. One Alphinaud is more than enough.

The thing is, they've already gestured in the direction of a lot of LGBT topics, just never actually committed. For example, in the original Japanese dialogue, Haurchefant is clearly propositioning the Warrior of Light regardless of gender. (It's something along the lines of "You look as gorgeous as ever! It's really cold out there, do you want to come warm up in my room?" and then he immediately drops the subject when Alphinaud pipes up. The English version just has him say that he's happy to see you and he hopes you're warm enough.) I believe in the writing team's ability to add, for example, a male knight who Haurchefant had a fling with and not make it offensive. It would literally need a sentence or two.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Idk, if folks want buff bois (we already have them but oke) in the game for representation sake at that point ANYTHING goes. I don't like it BUT that's only fair

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I think that's rather disingenuous. There's a big difference between requesting more of a common aesthetic and one a large portion of players can relate to...and embracing the sort of niche aesthetics that Twitter dwellers fawn over.

But, hey, if you want FFXIV to go the same way as WoW in regards to stripping away all mention of 'male' and female' in favour of 'body 1' and 'body 2' then be my guest. I don't think more than a very vocal minority desire that, though.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think that's rather disingenuous. There's a big difference between requesting more of a common aesthetic and one a large portion of players can relate to...and embracing the sort of niche aesthetics that Twitter dwellers fawn over.

But, hey, if you want FFXIV to go the same way as WoW in regards to stripping away all mention of 'male' and female' in favour of 'body 1' and 'body 2' then be my guest. I don't think more than a very vocal minority desire that, though.

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What a silly argument, since this is not a mutually-exclusive problem. If representation is the goal, then you can have both broad kinds of aesthetics.

Also, here we go again with the attempts to poison the well. Apparently, people who disagree are “Twitter dwellers”, and that’s supposed to also be an inherently bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Alphinaud's character development seems to have stopped in HW and outright regressed in EW. Alisaie I've felt has been a constant, which works for her because she's driven by emotions rather than ideals, but based on Garlemald it seems like they're wanting to make her Alphinaud 2.0 which I am not interested in at all. One Alphinaud is more than enough.

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Yeah, it does seem like the major characters sort of go through the exact same story arc that they've already gone through. Or something negative will happen to them - such as Y'shtola losing her eyesight - but it might as well have not happened at all given that it doesn't hold the character back in any major capacity and she didn't really react to it like a realistic, regular person would if they suddenly lost their ability to see through conventional means...

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think that's rather disingenuous. There's a big difference between requesting more of a common aesthetic and one a large portion of players can relate to...and embracing the sort of niche aesthetics that Twitter dwellers fawn over.

But, hey, if you want FFXIV to go the same way as WoW in regards to stripping away all mention of 'male' and female' in favour of 'body 1' and 'body 2' then be my guest. I don't think more than a very vocal minority desire that, though.

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Guess that game can RIP then.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

But, hey, if you want FFXIV to go the same way as WoW in regards to stripping away all mention of 'male' and female' in favour of 'body 1' and 'body 2' then be my guest. I don't think more than a very vocal minority desire that, though.

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I don't think anyone's asking for gender to be removed from the game entirely. When I brought up trans characters earlier, it was an offhand suggestion about Y'shtola having transitioned from male to female while she was studying with Matoya, and I don't believe anyone else has mentioned them specifically (as opposed to part of the LGBT grouping). Saying that people want to remove all mention of "male" and "female" is not based on any argument in this thread or that I've seen.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think that's rather disingenuous. There's a big difference between requesting more of a common aesthetic and one a large portion of players can relate to...and embracing the sort of niche aesthetics that Twitter dwellers fawn over.

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You should really figure out if you’re arguing this point from a “minority in need of representation” perspective or an “underserved majority” perspective. Trying to use both arguments at the same time just makes you come across as disingenuous.

Good on WoW, btw. Would be cool if FFXIV could do that, too.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Also, here we go again with the attempts to poison the well. Apparently, people who disagree are “Twitter dwellers”, and that’s supposed to also be an inherently bad thing.

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We have to quote the famous Final Fantasy streamer Zenos here and say "No No No No No!" rings the bell

Writing against the cause of us is disingenius. As suporter of monarchy in the game kingdom can use the royal we. There is a big amount of the player who is not happy with the story. We do not know number or have the proof but it is big we can feel it. The story must have the naunce so that the good guy is look as bad and the bad guy is look as good. Also the good guy must sacrifice friends so that can know the suffering like the Game of the Thrones. We will tell the writer when we happy the hero character has suffer enough to pay for crime of resisting our cause.

We try to explain the problem on the forum on all of the thread at the same time. But we are always under the attack and pressure by the Twitter crowd and the Reddit crowd and the Wattpad crowd and the Pinterest crowd and the Whatisup crowd and the TickTock crowd and the forum paladins who want to defend the Yoshi's Island Sanctuary due to his crepe personality cult. It is like the university student with the expensive coffee and the burger and the pretend progressive idea.

It is like the comic where the people say this is our myspace and the other people come in to invade the myspace and take over. This is what happened with the Garlemald from the Eorzea who tried to take the land. You must agree to agree even if you disagree. Please is for sake of correcting the course of the story to one where the Ascian and the Garlemald and the Fordola and the Hein rejoin world and be hero of next expansion to replace the Scion.

Otherwise will be like the failed Warcraft direction with the Sylphinas and burning of Teldrassil and game will go extinct because we do not like. This is predict because we can see future and know what make the game good unlike game maker. The Square need the support of us to win or they will lose.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

“Twitter dwellers”, and that’s supposed to also be an inherently bad thing.

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Twitter is a cesspool of rage and ignorance. Whether you are one of those people or not, I cannot say, and I won't make that assumption. But it's full of them. Twitter was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Twitter is a cesspool of rage and ignorance. Whether you are one of those people or not, I cannot say, and I won't make that assumption. But it's full of them. Twitter was a mistake.

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I just don't really agree with this claim I've seen that the forums are so horrible as a place to gather feedback, so SE is justified in ignoring it. When other platforms can be similar or worse in terms of feedback. Even if the forums were as bad as some claim, I don't believe that is justification in potentially ignoring the entire platform!

Also, speaking of Twitter, just the other day, I saw some questionable hashtags trending, it was pretty funny actually.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I just don't really agree with this claim I've seen that the forums are so horrible as a place to gather feedback, so SE is justified in ignoring it. When other platforms can be similar or worse in terms of feedback. Even if the forums were as bad as some claim, I don't believe that is justification in potentially ignoring the entire platform!

Also, speaking of Twitter, just the other day, I saw some questionable hashtags trending, it was pretty funny actually.

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I think that SE is right to ignore some of what is seen around here, but certainly not all of it. Good ideas/feedback does pop up pretty regularly. It just gets lost in the chaos.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I think that SE is right to ignore some of what is seen around here, but certainly not all of it. Good ideas/feedback does pop up pretty regularly. It just gets lost in the chaos.

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I think there is some merit in even some of the rage posts. Certainly not everything should listened to, especially things filled with vitriol, but asking themselves why users so upset, can also be a good thing. A lot of this "chaos" happens, because they aren't communicating, or being as hands on.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A lot of this "chaos" happens, because they aren't communicating, or being as hands on.

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Oh, absolutely. It's a two way street, or at least it's supposed to be. Right now, we're doing all the talking and they are giving us complete radio silence. It has been that way for a long, long time, and I think that a lot of people, myself included, are getting fed up with it. Even when they do respond to something, they don't seem to really hear us.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Twitter is a cesspool of rage and ignorance. Whether you are one of those people or not, I cannot say, and I won't make that assumption. But it's full of them. Twitter was a mistake.

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Sure, a lot of it is, but the issue here is that Theodric's argument paints the group that disagrees with him as part of the "Twitter mob" or whatever, without specification. Twitter (and all social media) is used by a wide range of people with every belief on the spectrum and arguments both informed and ignorant. Also, just pointing and essentially claiming "Typical Twitter logic" is itself an argument that people on Twitter make.

I see my decision to place the above two posters on ignore proved to be the correct one. I appreciate the heads up from a friend letting me know that false, defamatory comments are being made and words are being twisted deceptively.

All I'll say on the matter is that I've never suggested that the development team deserve to be harassed.

Whatever weird issue certain posters have with me or my posts, please stop dragging it into every other thread and keep the conversation related to the actual subject of this thread - Alphinaud.

Thanks!