Thoughts on the new street attire.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I love it, conjures memories of the late 90s lol. Good times. I won't buy it, but it's funny to see.

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Speaking as a 90s kid myself, I wouldn't mind seeing more fashion based on that period. Not saying that they should do so mind you, but I certainly wouldn't be complaining.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

to be fair its not that hard to understand why people don't like this stuff. If you come from more standard fantasy stuff to FF, its easy to look at this and think its dumb. I never played any other FF before getting into this, so it took some time getting used to, But I learned to just roll with it and have fun.

its like when you go from a place like Gridania where you got a fairly standard elf'y town with nature, bows and old style clothing, to stuff like Garlemald with cars, guns and high techology, its kinda hard to not ask the question of why most people are still using bows and axes while looking like mediveal peasants.

the game is so all over the place with tone, setting and style, Its kinda wierd at first, but as I understand it, thats just how FF works.
You have to learn to just roll with it, and accept that anything goes in this game. doesn't mean you have to like it, but that's just how it is.

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The way I sorta interpret it is that technology is a way of basically achieving the same thing but without having to use magic ( because Garleans are incapable of it ).
It's not like people are just using bows, people are using magically amplified bows and are throwing explosions around and swinging their axe into an explosive fiery inferno.

I think magic is both a blessing and a curse, it's a blessing in the sense that it can do a lot of stuff but I also think it'd be kinda like a curse because it'd disincentivize people to really try as hard to come up with new solutions to problems that doesn't rely on magic.
The Harry Potter setting kinda has this thing going on too, the magic world is rly backwards and still living in the past compared to the outside world.
Because they just use magic for everything, they don't need to use machinery in most cases.

I don't really think it's necessarily a tone issue with FF, I think it's more that people have fairly rigid expectations of medieval fantasy imho.
It's the same with stuff like realism, people have extremely narrow views on what is and isn't '' realistic '' or '' practical '' with armor for example and it usually just boils down to '' is it historical or not '' as if just because our ancestors didn't do something it means they didn't because it'd be useless or something.
Or like it'd just stop being hardened steel and physics stopped being physics just because it doesn't align with what our ancestors did.

Edit: Also there has essentially been multiple apocalyptic events that brought down the greatest empires and set the world back.
The Allegans for example were highly advanced but their technology was just kinda lost and it set people back again and sorta restarted everything.
And they also had Emet working behind the scenes sorta pushing them along.

The Garlean empire also researched these societies they looked for past technology and built on it ( as far as I remember one of the Alliance Raids in SB had a storyline for this ).
If anything it's kinda just Eorzeans being backwards and too relient on magic to really adopt and push for new technology as hard.

I actually think that Thancred is a fairly good example of this.
He picked up the gunblade because he became incapable of using magic, he wasn't using it before and if it was just that much better I think he would've.
Okay so he wouldn't because Gunbreaker wasn't out by then lol, but I still think you'd see more Eorzeans with gunblades if they were just so much better especially as they confiscated weapons and I am pretty sure Cid and company would be happy to build them if that was the case.
Heck Thancred even needs help with the ammo.

Too expensive and the shoes are cartoonish

Modern / street glams are not my style in games but I will admit both tops are really nice.
My only gripe is the chain necklaces as I prefer very minimal accessories for my looks.

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Originally Posted by einschwartz

Modern / street glams are not my style in games but I will admit both tops are really nice.
My only gripe is the chain necklaces as I prefer very minimal accessories for my looks.

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I'd be happier if they keep the two separate pieces. I want to use the necklaces for other glam plates.

But then I realized: "Oh no glam dresser slots."

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

You realize that most Final Fantasy games are Post Modern Magitech games with heavy influences from Star Wars. You realize you are dressed like a Sith Lord right now? I personally wouldn't know what Fortnight characters look like, but I do understand it has a lot of modern fantasy crossovers to include Super Heroes and Star Wars characters.

Spoiler for Endwalker bits:

FFXIV has post WW2 Soviet Russia recreated with Mecha and Computers, we fly in a Space Ship, seriously didn't anyone else get a Normandy SR2 vide from that moment. FFXIV could easily take place in our future, if they didn't have us go back and visit the world before. Hells, in Final Fantasy Canon, from other media, our Earth is represented in the Final Fantasy Cosmos as three different worlds. Earth destroyed, Japan partially Destroyed, and Earth as it is now. There is more than a fair bit of lore to suggest people from our world have fallen to the Source on more than one occasion.

So no, modern fashion being in FFXIV fits the lore and setting fairly well.

Oh... and Tomestones are either old Smart Phones, or old Computer Memory chips.

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Yes Ragnarok scene was a serious nod to the Cerberus ship called The Normandy SR-2. I'm baffled the scene didn't get almost any attention from the community or the media. People like to live in the boxes it seems, to miss one of the iconic scenes of the gaming world.

Here is a video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy1E4eX484o

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The way I sorta interpret it is that technology is a way of basically achieving the same thing but without having to use magic ( because Garleans are incapable of it ).
It's not like people are just using bows, people are using magically amplified bows and are throwing explosions around and swinging their axe into an explosive fiery inferno.

I think magic is both a blessing and a curse, it's a blessing in the sense that it can do a lot of stuff but I also think it'd be kinda like a curse because it'd disincentivize people to really try as hard to come up with new solutions to problems that doesn't rely on magic.
The Harry Potter setting kinda has this thing going on too, the magic world is rly backwards and still living in the past compared to the outside world.
Because they just use magic for everything, they don't need to use machinery in most cases.

I don't really think it's necessarily a tone issue with FF, I think it's more that people have fairly rigid expectations of medieval fantasy imho.
It's the same with stuff like realism, people have extremely narrow views on what is and isn't '' realistic '' or '' practical '' with armor for example and it usually just boils down to '' is it historical or not '' as if just because our ancestors didn't do something it means they didn't because it'd be useless or something.
Or like it'd just stop being hardened steel and physics stopped being physics just because it doesn't align with what our ancestors did.

Edit: Also there has essentially been multiple apocalyptic events that brought down the greatest empires and set the world back.
The Allegans for example were highly advanced but their technology was just kinda lost and it set people back again and sorta restarted everything.
And they also had Emet working behind the scenes sorta pushing them along.

The Garlean empire also researched these societies they looked for past technology and built on it ( as far as I remember one of the Alliance Raids in SB had a storyline for this ).
If anything it's kinda just Eorzeans being backwards and too relient on magic to really adopt and push for new technology as hard.

I actually think that Thancred is a fairly good example of this.
He picked up the gunblade because he became incapable of using magic, he wasn't using it before and if it was just that much better I think he would've.
Okay so he wouldn't because Gunbreaker wasn't out by then lol, but I still think you'd see more Eorzeans with gunblades if they were just so much better especially as they confiscated weapons and I am pretty sure Cid and company would be happy to build them if that was the case.
Heck Thancred even needs help with the ammo.

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Thats a good way of looking at it.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

to be fair its not that hard to understand why people don't like this stuff. If you come from more standard fantasy stuff to FF, its easy to look at this and think its dumb. I never played any other FF before getting into this, so it took some time getting used to, But I learned to just roll with it and have fun.

its like when you go from a place like Gridania where you got a fairly standard elf'y town with nature, bows and old style clothing, to stuff like Garlemald with cars, guns and high techology, its kinda hard to not ask the question of why most people are still using bows and axes while looking like mediveal peasants.

the game is so all over the place with tone, setting and style, Its kinda wierd at first, but as I understand it, thats just how FF works.
You have to learn to just roll with it, and accept that anything goes in this game. doesn't mean you have to like it, but that's just how it is.

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All FF games 1-10 (even 11 and 12, although i dont count them in with the "greats") have an incredibly consistent tone and style, never betraying their own identity while still shaking things up every now and again (introducing magitek for villains for example). It wasn't until recently (ff13 onwards) they started betraying their own identity for metrics. Shareholders want cash, so I guess that means eorzea is now one giant korean boyband huh. It's not unreasonable to expect companies to push for cash, but it is disappointing to see fans so eager to consume they dont take a second to actually think about it.

I love it! :)

https://ptpimg.me/klg94x.jpg

The newer kids think it's trendy but it's actually a boomer outfit.
Sum 41, Tony Hawk Pro Skater. Around that time.

I like it actually but I'm not paying for it lol.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

Sum 41, Tony Hawk Pro Skater.

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Having enjoyed both of those things, I feel old. Thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by Seger

I love it! :)

https://ptpimg.me/klg94x.jpg

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Here we go. Combining new shit with old shit to make something even better is what the glam game is all about. All the more reason to release the Hempen sets.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

All FF games 1-10 (even 11 and 12, although i dont count them in with the "greats") have an incredibly consistent tone and style, never betraying their own identity while still shaking things up every now and again (introducing magitek for villains for example). It wasn't until recently (ff13 onwards) they started betraying their own identity for metrics. Shareholders want cash, so I guess that means eorzea is now one giant korean boyband huh. It's not unreasonable to expect companies to push for cash, but it is disappointing to see fans so eager to consume they dont take a second to actually think about it.

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VII is where the style shift occurred and the popularity of that game set the tone going forward. All this talk of shareholders, blah blah blah. Can you not? It sounds ridiculous. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Seger

I love it! :)

https://ptpimg.me/klg94x.jpg

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Wow, this is one case that I REALLY, really like the shoes with this outfit. The shoes by themselves look silly but you've made them look really good here. Cheers!

I would but I have enough alts that I'd want it on that it would cost the same as a piece of good furniture. Until clothes become an account-wide feature I'm out. And this is not the only set that I'd throw down for. If Square wants to miss out on a couple hundred $ worth of sales that's their business.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

The newer kids think it's trendy but it's actually a boomer outfit.
Sum 41, Tony Hawk Pro Skater. Around that time.

I like it actually but I'm not paying for it lol.

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One more time, for the denser kids. Boomers are the kids born of the people who lived through the Second World War, 1945 to 1960, X-Generation are the Kids of the Boomers, born between 1960 and 1980. Teen and Twenty something fashion from the late 80s and 90s was X-Generation Fashion, Tony Hawk is the poster Boy of the X-Gen, and not a Boomer. Also what is Sum 41 .. hit google, that is a Y-Gen band, gained popularity after 2000. Y-Gen being the kids born in the 80s mostly, as the generation names start to become every 5 to 10 years after 2k.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Having enjoyed both of those things, I feel old. Thanks for that.

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Honestly, don't, you are only as old as you think you are, mentally I'm still 30... and have been for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

One more time, for the denser kids. Boomers are the kids born of the people who lived through the Second World War, 1945 to 1960, X-Generation are the Kids of the Boomers, born between 1960 and 1980. Teen and Twenty something fashion from the late 80s and 90s was X-Generation Fashion, Tony Hawk is the poster Boy of the X-Gen, and not a Boomer. Also what is Sum 41 .. hit google, that is a Y-Gen band, gained popularity after 2000. Y-Gen being the kids born in the 80s mostly, as the generation names start to become every 5 to 10 years after 2k.

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Yes, we know. :rolleyes: "Boomer" is just a different way of saying old, out of touch, etc.. It's an exaggeration.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, we know. :rolleyes: "Boomer" is just a different way of saying old, out of touch, etc.. It's an exaggeration.

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It's a dumb one, The Boomer Generation is hurting the world, destroying American, and basically the largest collection off hateful people on Earth. We the X-Gen are a silent broken generation who wanted nothing more than to listen to punk rock and skate.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

It's a dumb one.

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Yes, it being dumb is the point.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, it being dumb is the point.

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Also. Thinking about it, from your description, it's a clear case of Bigotry against people older than you, and is no different than calling people the "N" word or the "F" word. You shouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

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That's bit excessive, in my opinion. Whatever. Clearly this won't go anywhere good.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Also. Thinking about it, from your description, it's a clear case of Bigotry against people older than you, and is no different than calling people the "N" word or the "F" word. You shouldn't do it.

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That's a bit overdramatic. It is the equivalent of an overused meme and nothing more. Is it annoying though? Absolutely, especially when people fail to use it correctly. Even when they do, it has been done to death already and all anyone gets is an eyeroll from me. Pretty sure I've rolled my eyes at the term since the first time I heard it. Not because I take offense though or feign offense on someone else's behalf. It's more like I can't understand the humor in it. That's my default reaction to a lot of terms that people come up with nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That's a bit overdramatic. It is the equivalent of an overused meme and nothing more. Is it annoying though? Absolutely, especially when people fail to use it correctly. Even when they do, it has been done to death already and all anyone gets is an eyeroll from me. Pretty sure I've rolled my eyes at the term since the first time I heard it. Not because I take offense though or feign offense on someone else's behalf. It's more like I can't understand the humor in it. That's my default reaction to a lot of terms that people come up with nowadays.

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It's a kind of bigotry called "Ageism"

Ageism refers to the stereotypes (how we think), prejudice (how we feel) and discrimination (how we act) towards others or oneself based on age. see: https://www.who.int/news-room/questi...%20stereotypes.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

It's a kind of bigotry called "Ageism"

Ageism refers to the stereotypes (how we think), prejudice (how we feel) and discrimination (how we act) towards others or oneself based on age. see: https://www.who.int/news-room/questi...%20stereotypes.

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Yeah, I'm not clicking on that. My point still stands. I will instead suggest that we both walk away from this conversation and not derail the thread.

I don't know what this thread is about at this point, but back on topic...

The glam looks decent, and I'll probably buy it at some point.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I'm not clicking on that. My point still stands. I will instead suggest that we both walk away from this conversation and not derail the thread.

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it's a link to the World Health Organization created by the UN. It's a statement on Ageism, and is a part of several pages dedicated to bigotry, and their affects on Global health.

It's just a joke. Calm down lol. I personally have always warmed up to the early 20's, being 90's kid myself.
So my post was just a bit of nostalgia than insult to anybody.

Having said that if the price is lower I might buy the outfit. It looks good and everybody in Limsa is wearing it >.>

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Originally Posted by Lieri

It's just a joke. Calm down lol. I personally have always warmed up to the early 20's, being 90's kid myself.
So my post was just a bit of nostalgia than insult to anybody.

Having said that if the price is lower I might buy the outfit. It looks good and everybody in Limsa is wearing it >.>

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Everything eventually goes on sale about a year after release ^_^

Not going to lie I bought the outfit just for the kicks.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

It's just a joke. Calm down lol. I personally have always warmed up to the early 20's, being 90's kid myself.
So my post was just a bit of nostalgia than insult to anybody.

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You bring up a good lesson that people need to learn. Making a Joke, idiom, or metaphor through the use of bigotry is wrong, and when someone calls you out on it, you shouldn't try and defend your use of bigotry. You should apologize, and try to avoid bigotry, now in some cases you might not feel the term or expression is offensive, but it really doesn't matter, you don't get to choose whither or not others are offended, If you offend, you are at fault. It's that simple. Stop trying to justify your offense, and start doing the right thing and do better, and reframe from using bigotry accidental or not.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

You bring up a good lesson that people need to learn. Making a Joke, idiom, or metaphor through the use of bigotry is wrong, and when someone calls you out on it, you shouldn't try and defend your use of bigotry. You should apologize, and try to avoid bigotry, now in some cases you might not feel the term or expression is offensive, but it really doesn't matter, you don't get to choose whither or not others are offended, If you offend, you are at fault. It's that simple. Stop trying to justify your offense, and start doing the right thing and do better, and reframe from using bigotry accidental or not.

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I think the lesson that should be learned here is that being out raged ans masking it as some pedantic means or educating people is 100% a boomer thing to do.

So okay boomer. Please learn to take a joke. You need to learn intent matters, anyone can clearly see they did not intend to offend so getting annoyed by something that was clearly not meant to be taken as such is weird. No need to toss around buzz words to make nothing into something.

Man I really love the new attire-

Yeah, what happened here? Mods about to be all over this.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

One more time, for the denser kids. Boomers are the kids born of the people who lived through the Second World War, 1945 to 1960

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A small correction is needed here. "Boomers" extend all the way into the early 60s. I was born in 1961 and am considered a "boomer".

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Originally Posted by ballprince

Yeah, what happened here? Mods about to be all over this.

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Forum mods be like

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Careful they might go on a tirade how Karen is a term that was coined to oppress the white middle class and undermine their real world issues.

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Tirade? I welcome this sanctioned racism we fostered! I mean, it is hypocritical, but why fight society? Let's go to the cracker barrel! :^)

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Originally Posted by Eraden

A small correction is needed here. "Boomers" extend all the way into the early 60s. I was born in 1961 and am considered a "boomer".

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depends on who you ask, I've seen the 10 years after WW2, al the way to the Johnson Escalation of the the Vietnam war in 1963.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Tirade? I welcome this sanctioned racism we fostered! I mean, it is hypocritical, but why fight society? Let's go to the cracker barrel! :^)

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Why would I have to say anything, as they both clearly already know that is a bigoted term, btw I reported the person who used it. I doubt the dev tem will do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

depends on who you ask, I've seen the 10 years after WW2, al the way to the Johnson Escalation of the the Vietnam war in 1963.





Why would I have to say anything, as they both clearly already know that is a bigoted term, btw I reported the person who used it. I doubt the dev tem will do anything about it.

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Did you legit report someone for using the term boomer? Geez, you really playing into all the boomer / Karen stereotypes. As they say often times they are based on a degree of truth.

As my Grandpa would say one cannot give offense, offense is taken. Meaning it is a choice to be offended, life is too short to get offended over such non issues.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

Don't boomers still make up a large portion of people in power, at least in the States? I wouldn't really call them a systemically oppressed minority, if that's possible for an entire generation of people.

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This person has already equated "boomer" with the N word in this thread, I wouldn't expect much from a reply.

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Originally Posted by CaptainDillweed

This person has already equated "boomer" with the N word in this thread, I wouldn't expect much from a reply.

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Fair point. That post made me wonder if I was replying to a troll.

IT HAS EAR HOLES.

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