New Instanced Raids (03/07/2012)

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Originally Posted by Delsus

They need a full build running on the test client and server, if they don't it could make things unstable, remember the cure bug in ffxi, all cures would hit undead for 9,999, cure was not even touched, changing one part of a program can bug completly unrelated parts.

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The cure bug is unrelated to not running a "full build". The cure bug was more likely due to change relating to the system behind the skills in that game.

This is what was related:

The effect duration of the white mage ability Divine Caress has been increased from 1 minute to 3 minutes.

If you don't know what Divine Caress is off hand: "If the next spell you cast cures a status ailment, your target will gain enhanced resistance to that ailment."

So it's pretty obvious why Cure on enemies got bugged lol.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Im not THAT excited of watching the video... its almost the same appearance of a normal dungeon in Thanalan.

i would have loved somethin really different .



and why can a boss have not more than just one attack spot? a chimera would have been perfect to have maybe around 3 different attack spots (3 heads).


in Offline Final Fantasys we have that, where you can attack for example the head or the big hand of a big boss mob.. why not in FF Online for more complexity?

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We have it in FFXI as well since ToAU (it may not look like it, but it's in place.)

I didn't know there was a chimera in Copperbell!

Seriously. It's identical to copperbell mine

Yeah I don't get the complaints about "Dungeon looking the same", it's located in the same geography, what is it supposed to be? Go from Thanalan to a Space Dungeon?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah I don't get the complaints about "Dungeon looking the same", it's located in the same geography, what is it supposed to be? Go from Thanalan to a Space Dungeon?

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I LOL'd at this haha

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah I don't get the complaints about "Dungeon looking the same", it's located in the same geography, what is it supposed to be? Go from Thanalan to a Space Dungeon?

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Space dungeon is 2.0

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah I don't get the complaints about "Dungeon looking the same", it's located in the same geography, what is it supposed to be? Go from Thanalan to a Space Dungeon?

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That would be nice !

But seriously it could still look different, Nanawa looks pretty different to Copperbell for example.

Lets not forget that Sil'dah is under Thanalan either so they could have said there was a cave in exposing the entrance to the old ruins.

We;ve already seen some of it joining to copperbell with one of the The Lambs of Dalamud events, it would have made perfect sense to suggest that they were in fact the cause of it reopening.

...we still need a space dungeon though.

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Originally Posted by Lucidus

The damage people do or take regarding mobs in the dungeon has a relation to the dungeon itself, does it not?

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The hp/mp values shown in these videos tend to be a little bit above average. Also damage done to players often differs from "Real world" experience. Remember the party wipe caused by the eye in the dark hold video?

These videos are taken during testing while they are tweaking said parameters. And as such can not be used as evidence one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah I don't get the complaints about "Dungeon looking the same", it's located in the same geography, what is it supposed to be? Go from Thanalan to a Space Dungeon?

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well it would be cool...


imagening an "Offline Final fantasy" story scenario... getting imprisoned by a one of the wild tribes... or by garleans... fighting in an arena while the arena is filled with an audience shouting at you.


and YES hard to believe.. you can design an instance not always in a cave... it can also play "partly" outdoors... and the video of that new instance is the BEST example for no innovation... and that the biggest part of the team is working on 2.0. and not on the content till then..


seriously this is copy&paste of copperbell mine. and the only mob in there we havent seen so far till now is the chimera...

VERY disappointing... from the appearance of the dungeon, it looks really boring. i hoped for something deeply more "final fantasy"

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

...we still need a space dungeon though.

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we need other than JUST CAVE instances! and than over and over JUST the same appearance... partly outdoor for the win.

I'd like that but they do have to get the instances that were already in game albeit unfinished out the door first. So far, we should be good since they've already added the strongholds and now the last two dungeons that were shown by that one guy who passed in game boundaries.

After this patch, i'm fully expecting totally new content, especially since they dont have to focus so hard on combat and main game system revamping.

I am hoping they do not reveal the rewards for killing certain NM mobs. Figuring it out ourselves is part of the fun. But on the other hand, data miners will figure it out anyway @_@.

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Originally Posted by zergasaur

I am hoping they do not reveal the rewards for killing certain NM mobs. Figuring it out ourselves is part of the fun. But on the other hand, data miners will figure it out anyway @_@.

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Dats dont reveal drops or recipes

Just reading through the comments in this thread and I am amazed at some of the things you guys notice in these videos. Some of you have super good eagle eye vision. :)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Just reading through the comments in this thread and I am amazed at some of the things you guys notice in these videos. Some of you have super good eagle eye vision. :)

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Its to help you since Morbol don't have eyes

Biggest things that stood out in that video was how rediculously cute the lalafell drg was and that the BLM's spells actually had a real animation befitting of a FF title.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Biggest things that stood out in that video was how rediculously cute the lalafell drg was and that the BLM's spells actually had a real animation befitting of a FF title.

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100% agree on this. Was glad to finally see an ice spell worth of FF. The question is, was that blizzaga, or did they decide to redo the lower level spells too?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Just reading through the comments in this thread and I am amazed at some of the things you guys notice in these videos. Some of you have super good eagle eye vision. :)

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I saw London, I saw France, I saw the MNK soil his pants (before the Chimera made its arrival)...or at least I think that was the expression he had xD

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Just reading through the comments in this thread and I am amazed at some of the things you guys notice in these videos. Some of you have super good eagle eye vision. :)

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Protip: Use 720p and full screen

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Dats dont reveal drops or recipes

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Oh Good. ;) But we'll see what happens.

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Originally Posted by zergasaur

Oh Good. ;) But we'll see what happens.

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Yea, recipes and drop data is all server side....

Good lord those are some big ants.

Watching the video again, and I didn't see the Monk kick at all. Whats up with that??

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Watching the video again, and I didn't see the Monk kick at all. Whats up with that??

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He was like Chun Li... feet moving too fast to see... haha

If you look at the skill icons, you see a mini icon showing you the condition for its use - front arrows, side arrows and evasion etc

also theres blue arrows next to the tp bar that flash up when you get tp (or maybe when you get tp from auto-attack?)

...and they also have messed up cooldown timers

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Originally Posted by Sylkis

If you look at the skill icons, you see a mini icon showing you the condition for its use - front arrows, side arrows and evasion etc

also theres blue arrows next to the tp bar that flash up when you get tp (or maybe when you get tp from auto-attack?)

...and they also have messed up cooldown timers

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The blue arrows are when you're moving and unable to cast

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Just reading through the comments in this thread and I am amazed at some of the things you guys notice in these videos. Some of you have super good eagle eye vision. :)

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All the better to catch all your grammatical errors, my dear! :o

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

100% agree on this. Was glad to finally see an ice spell worth of FF. The question is, was that blizzaga, or did they decide to redo the lower level spells too?

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There is two ice spells, I'm guessing Blizzaga and Freeze

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Originally Posted by Jinko

There is two ice spells, I'm guessing Blizzaga and Freeze

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Only Freeze.

BLM gets Freeze, Flare, Burst, Convert, Sleepga.

The animation for skills change size based on the enemy - even now.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Only Freeze.

BLM gets Freeze, Flare, Burst, Convert, Sleepga.

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I guess Blizzara must have new animation then.

Edit:- ok according to the battle log they are both freeze but one hits for 126 and the other 558, perhaps crits have different animations ?

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I guess Blizzara must have new animation then.

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No..... because Blizarra is a self-aoe and instant cast... Those were both Freeze. Again, animation size changes based on enemy size.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

No..... because Blizarra is a self-aoe and instant cast... Those were both Freeze. Again, animation size changes based on enemy size.

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The video could be wrong :P

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

The video could be wrong :P

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loliseewhatyoudidthere.

Unfortunately, we're talking about animations - not numbers.

Also, I'm not basing what I'm saying off the video alone, but like I said even currently every animation we have changes size based on the enemy it hits.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

loliseewhatyoudidthere.

Unfortunately, we're talking about animations - not numbers.

Also, I'm not basing what I'm saying off the video alone, but like I said even currently every animation we have changes size based on the enemy it hits.

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All good humor sir, with no hard feelings.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

All good humor sir, with no hard feelings.

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lol I know :D

I never had any hard feelings regarding you, Red Wizard.

I like my FFXIV dungeons like I like my FFXIV geography... identical and bland.

To those complaining about Darkhold style dungeons and skipping enemies; Do remember that there were plenty of occasions that you had to kill enemies for chests and to progress through the dungeon - The orobon room, the 3 dragons, the skeleton group (and ghosts in that room if your strategy was bad), the pirate room for Alpine Jacket. This being said, there were plenty of things that were 100% necessary to kill in order to 100% complete the dungeon in 1 run (which I myself and many others I'm sure have done) and it was great fun. Killing the lowly enemies along the way as a level 50 class was pointless; exp went to waste and it took up valuable time, especially if going for the speed chest. If we compare this to dynamis where regular enemies dropped gear, there was an actual incentive to kill them in that case, and STILL very many were skipped. A lack of crowd control in 1.18 was also a problem when fighting large groups of enemies, as you could easily wipe if you tried to stick around and kill them.

As you can see there are MANY, MANY reasons why Darkhold worked out well; with a time limit for additional rewards forcing different strategies to come out it added to the uniqueness and excitement of the dungeon. When comparing FFXI to FFXIV and listing events such as Dynamis, Einherjar, Limbus etc. please remember that this many events were only in place 3 expansion packs and 5 years into the game. As far as I can see, FFXIV has more diverse and interesting than FFXI had before an expansion, and the game isn't even released yet (2.0).

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

loliseewhatyoudidthere.
but like I said even currently every animation we have changes size based on the enemy it hits.

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This is true it changes size, but I have yet to see it change style, perhaps its a new addition though.

While I understand why there are time limits for the instances, I feel that greatly hinders the experience of the runs, personally. I loved spending hour exploring dungeons in XI and such, I would love to be able to do the same in these dungeons, despite them being instanced.

I'm not a huge fan of speed runs or anything, but we should be given the option to turn on or off time limits. Turning off the time limit reduces drop rates, but allows us to fully explore the dungeon with no real feeling of restraint. Enemies can also be much more difficult as well as a trade off. Or something. I don't know. I dislike stuff like that, but the time limits are a huge turn off as well.

It looks alright..
While watching the video all I could think was "Man it'd be awesome if there were some NON-instanced dungeons like that."