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Originally Posted by DoctorMog
Show me 2 people on this thread who want this and have said as much, not asking a lot just 2
whats wrong with wow?
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03-21-2011, 12:34 PMLinnear
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03-21-2011, 12:36 PMLinnear
hmmm Quanra actually knows what he is talking about... can it be... I dare to only hope.
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03-21-2011, 12:41 PMSushithat's equal to the case that SE trying to block their ears and blind their eyes not receiving any new ideas from outside world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taru_TwoPointO
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03-21-2011, 12:47 PMTaru_TwoPointOThe title of the thread is "whats wrong with wow" and mainly states someones opinion on wow and how they are doing currently in said game. At the very bottom they state that SE should implement some things it does. Then it turned into an argument over many pages. This thread is not contributing in any way to Final Fantasy XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sushi
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03-21-2011, 12:49 PMSushi
don't you think SE can learn a lot just to read this post? there are lot of ideas in here, the title is not so important. the content is important.
if you still don't get it, well I don't think I want to explain more. -
03-21-2011, 07:43 PMQuantaI'd say its relevant. One of FFXIV's problems is its community's attempts to prevent outside ideas from affecting the game--as this thread demonstrates--along with lobbying efforts to prevent those ideas that have already gotten through from having any noticeable impact (e.g. jump), as they believe that such ideas will destroy the game by making it too much like WoW, specifically by making it easy for the average person to get into the game and level. This is ignoring the idea that WoW can be legitimately hard at high levels of play (i.e. hard mode raids and high-end PvP) or even mid-levels (i.e. normal raids, heroic 5-mans, mid-range PvP) if you're a Muggle like probably most people here are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taru_TwoPointO
I'm of the mind that a game should be relatively easy to get into, and doing anything beyond the baseline (leveling) should require increasing levels of ability from there, along with the need to team up with others, due to their difficulty. -
03-21-2011, 08:00 PMKuraiwhere do I start....Quote:
Originally Posted by raseol
the graphics are cartoonish and OLD.
the game play is about as exciting as a trip to the local library.
one job per character.
retarded flying mounts.
PVP is a gank fest (if your on a PVP server) lvl 70+ thinking they are hard for killing someone at lvl 20
PVE is rubbish to PVP is the only option really
Blizzard have been milking this cash cow for to long. they need to come up with something new and exciting.
not enough party action, not untill you get to endgame anyway (then you just get parties with asshole ninjas who steal)
Kara access when i played was well overrated. to the point of where i got kara access and quit a week later through shear boredom
oh and way to many young kids playing!!!
THE ONLY REASON SO MANY PEOPLE PLAY WOW IS BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE COMPUTERS GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY FINAL FANTASY XIV AND OTHER NEW GAMES OUT AT THE MOMENT. my old laptop had a GeForce GO 6150 and ran the game flat out. that same laptop scored 318 on the ffxiv official benchmark LOL -
03-21-2011, 08:13 PMHawaiianPunchyes the ffxi/xiv community is very anti-wow despite the fact alot of stuff from wow works well, but wow gets very boring and repetitive. Running around org/dal in circles each week after raids are done..um? okay? And I don't know when the last time you played wow but the 5-mans aren't hard, even the new cata ones you can often sweep with no CC.Quote:
I'd say its relevant. One of FFXIV's problems is its community's attempts to prevent outside ideas from affecting the game--as this thread demonstrates--along with lobbying efforts to prevent those ideas that have already gotten through from having any noticeable impact (e.g. jump), as they believe that such ideas will destroy the game by making it too much like WoW, specifically by making it easy for the average person to get into the game and level. This is ignoring the idea that WoW can be legitimately hard at high levels of play (i.e. hard mode raids and high-end PvP) or even mid-levels (i.e. normal raids, heroic 5-mans, mid-range PvP) if you're a Muggle like probably most people here are.
The new raids are kind of hard, but none of the ones in wrath were. -
03-21-2011, 09:08 PMQuantaThere's nothing stopping you from leveling/gearing an alt, partaking in PvP, or running random dungeons. Well, except you, of course, though that's a poor excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by HawaiianPunch
On normal mode, this was the case, at least around launch; heroics were a different story. That might have changed with subsequent hotfixes and the proliferation of raid gear, though. When I was playing though, running places like HoO or Stonecore on heroic in all dungeon blues without a guild group was next to impossible.Quote:
And I don't know when the last time you played wow but the 5-mans aren't hard, even the new cata ones you can often sweep with no CC.
True, though I didn't see that many Light of Dawn titles when Cata launched compared to Bane of the Fallen King, soooo... >_>Quote:
The new raids are kind of hard, but none of the ones in wrath were.
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03-21-2011, 10:26 PMStateAlchemist
The only "wow" in WoW is the "wow" after realizing that leveling was "so easy, a caveman could do it."
Of course this is the person that was willing to grind to Level 100 before fighting Ifrit on FFVIII...
I get bored with anything that feels easy. Monotonous I can handle, but I don't want a level cap handed to me on a silver platter.
I will give WoW a couple of things though. If you ignore the "easy-mode" game play, some of the End-game is fairly cool. However, I have still had more fun watching someone play WoW then actually playing it myself. -
03-21-2011, 10:39 PMHawaiianPunchFirst, on a sidenote, I refuse to run HOO or Stonecore, they are just too annoying, but most of the new heroics are clearable with people who are mostly epicced out (and no I don't mean PVP epics) and aren't retarded. Assuming everyone's DPS is good you should be able to zerg through everything. And yes I've quit, but even before I quit they did make alot of the heroics easier, the first boss to SFK comes to mind.Quote:
On normal mode, this was the case, at least around launch; heroics were a different story. That might have changed with subsequent hotfixes and the proliferation of raid gear, though. When I was playing though, running places like HoO or Stonecore on heroic in all dungeon blues without a guild group was next to impossible.
As far as other stuff besides running in circles, running BGs gets kind of useless after you have all the BG gear and I don't see a point to rolling an alt or doing dungeons seeing as it doesn't improve my character, but like you said, that's probably just me. -
03-21-2011, 11:30 PMQuantaKeywords bolded. The nature of the game pretty much guarantees that you're going to end up with someone going full retard in your random heroics, though you can easily mitigate this by filling the vital roles (tank/healer) with guildies, effectively making it a guild run.Quote:
Originally Posted by HawaiianPunch
There's also arenas. So long as you're laid back about it and go in with a decent partner, doing 2s will allow you to get your PvP epics and a weapon without demanding too much of your time or patience, and can be pretty enjoyable. You can also run the old raids for a lark; at 85, you can probably solo a few of them, or at least duo, though it helps to have a goal in mind beforehand (e.g. warglaives).Quote:
As far as other stuff besides running in circles, running BGs gets kind of useless after you have all the BG gear and I don't see a point to rolling an alt or doing dungeons seeing as it doesn't improve my character, but like you said, that's probably just me.
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03-22-2011, 12:06 AMKrausus
Doubt you will get many normal responses, but nothing is wrong with WoW, its all opinion. I dont like WoW because I dont like the combat system, its boring to me. I also don't like that they put in stupid stuff like motorcycles and it seems like every patch (granted I haven't played since BC) is just more dungeons, another tier of gear, rinse and repeat what you have been doing over the last 5 years. Some people enjoy it, some don't.
But probably the main thing I dislike about WoW is the fact that it is so dominating in the market, that just about every MMO player out there compares every MMOs success to it and if said MMO doesn't have a million+ subs then it is apparently a failure. -
03-22-2011, 12:16 AMElkwood
Nothing is ever wrong with wow it was the greatest game ever invented
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03-22-2011, 12:22 AMZaene
Having played both FFXI and WoW for extended periods of time. Both games have pros and cons. Making any definitive statements about the "horribadness" of one game or another simply states the level of intellect various players have. The simply fact of the matter is, both games have succeeded to some extent and thus have redeeming qualities.
I vehemently disagree with Kilta's stance that the creation of WoW created a Pandora's Box and all these "terrible players" were released into a world full of candy and roses.
If the concept you are advocating can be explained in its entirety in an extremely brief manner it most likely is extremely stylized. -
03-22-2011, 12:43 AMMalakhimI believe that according to the Jeff Cannata vernacular, the word you're looking for is "terribad", which is the antonym of "fantasgreat", good sir. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaene
That being said, this thread seems to have gone off the deep end. If WoW has any good features, like any other MMO, the devs on FFXIV should definitely look into it, and think about ways to incorporate it that make sense and work with Final Fantasy. I'm pretty sure the base aesthetic of the FFXIV UI is a product of this idea, with the the ability to move everything around, a (good)minimap and an action bar, etc. -
03-22-2011, 02:07 AMLinnearWoW content can get boring for a lot of people not at the high end becuause it does get increasingly exclusive as the patches go on, mid ranged players generally dont' like doing area becuase they all feel they are better than the 40-50% win ratio they get and cry cause they are where their skill level places them. To be honest even at the high end it still gets boring running into a hard mode that takes a couple of weeks to kill. But that is the price you pay by having a system that is fluid and allows for quick retrys, it is a trade off you make. Only reason FFXI held me so firmly was I kept wanted to find a group of 20 ish hard core players that had the same time table I did, unfortunantly since I didn't speak JP that was unlikly so I muddled through a lot of the content and very slow speeds, (When you die in FFXI from someone pulling stuff in limbus or dyna by mistake it just took to long to get going again). But that is a trade off between the two games and they each have their advantages and disadvantages. WoWs system let you try, fail, get up and try agian quickly, as a result if you were solid you could blow through content quickly and be done with each epatch in 2-4 months or so, (thankfully a new content patch came out every 6 months or so). In FF there didn't appear to be any serious high end content and everyone was use to the slower pace that FF set so noone was in a really hurry to get anything done, and why would they when death was so painfull. As a result you never really got bored casue it took forever to get through content, but it did give you time to converse with the community and make connections and such. This was an advantage FFXI had over WoW, but I don't think you necessarly need to be cruel to your community to get them to talk to each other, but this might explain why it is harder to form relations in WoW, less death time together....... I just hope that FFXIV finds a better way to bring peopel together then a shared common grief that is the game you are trying to have fun with.Quote:
Originally Posted by HawaiianPunch
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03-22-2011, 02:42 AMCelyiaWhat excuses? Show me where I'm making excuses and I'll show you where you're wrong. Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-22-2011, 02:43 AMMolly_Millions
Here's what I didn't like about WoW, make of it what you will.
1. no ability to use a controller
2. graphics style that makes me want to barf
3. quests feel like shopping lists
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03-22-2011, 02:49 AMPaksenarrion
Does everyone realize this will be a never ending thread of rants, arguments and debates?
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03-22-2011, 02:55 AMKira75Well said, I couldn't agree more. One of the greatest things about this game is its uniqueness, take that away and its just another clone with no purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eolrid
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03-22-2011, 05:25 AMOstiaThe only thing that's actually different is the armory system....... So much for such an unique game.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kira75
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04-22-2011, 10:38 AMFelina
Kira...I agree with you 100%. I've played WOW for 2 years and the Politics....Well... It was never ending. Changes in the way classes were designed were constant. People complainig about how one specific class was too powerful. Then the next thing you know..Wow would then weaken that class and make others more powerful. And the Politics would start again but on the more powerful classes. That was just one of many issues and the crying just never ended.
Well I lived in Japan for several years and got to know Final Fantasy in it's infancy. This was in the early 1990's. The game then was console driven and I couldn't read the Congi but the game was explained by friends and gained my interest. When I moved Downunder (Aus) FFVII was released in English and I finally got to play. "It was great." From 7 -14 I've been a Full Fledged Fan. This game may have it's issues to the impatient ones but this game in my opinion is Great and I will stick with it. Let's just hope it doesn't get like WOW. -
04-22-2011, 10:42 AMJinko
Asking that Question here is asking for trouble.