Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

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10-08-2011, 01:54 AM
RemVye

I <3 Firon. :D
10-08-2011, 01:56 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Firon

Honestly i don't care if ppl are power lvling it does not bother me one bit. only people who care about it is the ones not getting pl'ed them selves.

Well then you're either short sighted, or don't care if the game gets f**ked up. Because if the situation stays as it is, it will do irreparable damage to the game.
10-08-2011, 01:57 AM
DNO

this topic is stupid. How does this effect anyone? Let people level the way they want to level and you? "mind yo neck" and play the way you want.

You people always bitch about others just because you do not agree. Just play your game. and i will play it my way.
10-08-2011, 01:58 AM
Firon

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Originally Posted by RemVye

I <3 Firon. :D

<3 Hey Rem, but for real tho tell me how is it gonna damage the game? People are gonna have all thier classes maxed out like before the Leve linking nerf? it's as simple as this people will only level the classes they like even if they could power thru the classes they hate.
10-08-2011, 02:02 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by DNO

this topic is stupid. How does this effect anyone? Let people level the way they want to level and you? "mind yo neck" and play the way you want.

You people always bitch about others just because you do not agree. Just play your game. and i will play it my way.

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but for real tho tell me how is it gonna damage the game?

If the capacity exists for people to leap past all the lower levels in an extremely short amount of time, it damages the mechanics of the game for everyone. Lower end content is nullified. The economy goes to sh*t because no one needs low or mid level gear or items. Even if you want to level without powerleveling, it's extremely hard to do because the population of people to play with at low levels gets cut by a huge amount.

The list goes on, and there are a lot of chain reactions from the things I already listed. It's not difficult to understand why this is terrible for this kind of game.
10-08-2011, 02:06 AM
Firon

No one was buying low lvl gear before.... So according to you the game is basically the same as before. On my server (Lindblum) There are tons of people lvling w/o pl's so i don't see the prob.
10-08-2011, 02:10 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Firon

No one was buying low lvl gear before.... So according to you the game is basically the same as before. On my server (Lindblum) There are tons of people lvling w/o pl's so i don't see the prob.

Like I said, shortsighted. The population of the game will not always be what it is now. There will be huge influxes of players, particularly at PS3 release. And just because everyone hasn't figured out you can level obscenely fast with a PL a few days after the patch, doesn't mean there's no problem with the fact that the ability to do that exists within the game.

And by the way, if you're leveling properly and aren't doing it on a high level job, the 1.19 changes make it so you have to buy low level gear now.
10-08-2011, 02:15 AM
DNO

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Originally Posted by Travesty

If the capacity exists for people to leap past all the lower levels in an extremely short amount of time, it damages the mechanics of the game for everyone. Lower end content is nullified. The economy goes to sh*t because no one needs low or mid level gear or items. Even if you want to level without powerleveling, it's extremely hard to do because the population of people to play with at low levels gets cut by a huge amount.

The list goes on, and there are a lot of chain reactions from the things I already listed. It's not difficult to understand why this is terrible for this kind of game.

After 1.18 i got ARC from rank 15-25 in 2 days (and i worked so it was like 4-7 hours tops)... the fast lvling has ALWAYS been there for low levels.

Stop bitching.

If they change it i will not care if they leave it i will not care why? because If you get to lvl 25 from lv 15 in 2 mins or 2 hours IT WILL NOT effect me in the least.

Play your game worry about you.
10-08-2011, 02:22 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Firon

<3 Hey Rem, but for real tho tell me how is it gonna damage the game? People are gonna have all thier classes maxed out like before the Leve linking nerf? it's as simple as this people will only level the classes they like even if they could power thru the classes they hate.

Exactly! This is what I want to do... I have no desire to level thm / con so having someone PL me would be amazing. Why should I waste time / money (gil) farming up and gearing up to play a class that I only want SacII/III or CureII/III. How does a painful leveling make me use CureII or CureIII any different?

Arc which I want to level I plan on doing it myself.
10-08-2011, 02:23 AM
Kiote

I'm all for allowing power leveling in some way or another, but the way it stands right now is a little over the top.

I don't think you should be able to be in a party with someone 49 levels higher than you and get XP chains pushing 1000 xp. That's a little uncalled for. At the very least lock out the chains. Personally I'd say don't let them be in the party. They can already assist the fight from outside. If they have to be aloud in the party, require the enemy killed to give XP to the highest level player to award xp to the lowest level player and put in an XP cap.

This kind of power leveling will do some serious damage to the games balance. If there is no leveling curve all other content become meaningless.
10-08-2011, 02:24 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by DNO

After 1.18 i got ARC from rank 15-25 in 2 days (and i worked so it was like 4-7 hours tops)... the fast lvling has ALWAYS been there for low levels.

Stop bitching.

If they change it i will not care if they leave it i will not care why? because If you get to lvl 25 from lv 15 in 2 mins or 2 hours IT WILL NOT effect me in the least.

Play your game worry about you.

We're not talking about fast leveling for "low levels." We're talking about the ability to go from 1-50 in a day. 35-44 in 2 hours.

Acting like changes to the game that are that drastic don't affect people that don't use them is just being stupid. It affects the game as a whole, for everyone, regardless of how they play individually. I am worrying about me.
10-08-2011, 02:28 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Travesty

We're not talking about fast leveling for "low levels." We're talking about the ability to go from 1-50 in a day. 35-44 in 2 hours.

Acting like changes to the game that are that drastic don't affect people that don't use them is just being stupid. It affects the game as a whole, for everyone, regardless of how they play individually. I am worrying about me.

Yeah then there will be more people to do (Instanced raid) when I'm online and Ifrit... sounds like a real problem /sike.

Seriously, just close this thread. You aren't going to sell anyone who isn't already for or against it. Not everyone will be using PL'ing to level. Leveling is fast in general... 5 days, 2 days, 3 days or even 1 day what difference does it really make? You can get max pretty fast by partying or PL. This whole thread is /useless because it's only pointing out what Yoshi already accepted as a probable outcome from patch 1.19 and he deemed ok.
10-08-2011, 02:28 AM
DNO

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Originally Posted by Travesty

We're not talking about fast leveling for "low levels." We're talking about the ability to go from 1-50 in a day. 35-44 in 2 hours.

Acting like changes to the game that are that drastic don't affect people that don't use them is just being stupid. It affects the game as a whole, for everyone, regardless of how they play individually. I am worrying about me.

Your a troll if you think a lvl 50 can PL a lvl 45.. the monster would crush them.

Also your a troll if you think EVERYONE is gonna have friends to PL them from lvl 1-50.

Stop going to the extreme, think a little, breath, relax. then post.

Only Low lvls benefit from PLs in most cases.
10-08-2011, 02:35 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by DNO

Your a troll if you think a lvl 50 can PL a lvl 45.. the monster would crush them.

Also your a troll if you think EVERYONE is gonna have friends to PL them from lvl 1-50.

Stop going to the extreme, think a little, breath, relax. then post.

Only Low lvls benefit from PLs in most cases.

All aboard the Logic-Train... conductor DNO is driving!

I love how Lodestone is full of Doom Syndrome kids who use extreme examples in an attempt to prove a point. 100% of people are going to PL and go from 1 - 50 in one day and then FFXIV will be empty cause... uh.. cause everyone will quit because... uh... because!!!!!!!!!! /DOOM /sike
10-08-2011, 02:36 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by DNO

Your a troll if you think a lvl 50 can PL a lvl 45.. the monster would crush them.

Also your a troll if you think EVERYONE is gonna have friends to PL them from lvl 1-50.

Stop going to the extreme, think a little, breath, relax. then post.

Only Low lvls benefit from PLs in most cases.

I don't believe a 50 can PL a 45 very well. Obviously, there will be diminishing returns at some point, probably around level 45.

And I don't think everyone will have friends to PL them. But enough will for it to damage the game balance.

There's a reason that a mechanic like this doesn't exist in any other mmo. It's very obviously game breaking. People who can't see that are shortsighted, dumb, or don't care if the game breaks.
10-08-2011, 02:39 AM
Zezil

....low lv dun.. will have value for farm only.. low-mid raid will no ppl do.. even it make for xp. low lv equipment is meanless in marketing.. all system got destroy from this.. if u can pass lv 1-40 in 1 week... lol so alot raid 15 25 35 will become to trash. so what meaning of dungeon or alot hunting spot around the would will do? just end game dungeon will have value?
10-08-2011, 02:39 AM
Kiote

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Originally Posted by DNO

Your a troll if you think a lvl 50 can PL a lvl 45.. the monster would crush them.

Also your a troll if you think EVERYONE is gonna have friends to PL them from lvl 1-50.

Stop going to the extreme, think a little, breath, relax. then post.

Only Low lvls benefit from PLs in most cases.

First of all 45-50 is a Party not a PL not that it really matters.

Second of all, since the patch I have gotten 5 parties. Every single one started out as a standard party with 4+ people grinding on Mobs pulling in good chain at a good pace. Within the hour, every single time, the leader invited a level 50 to join the party and kill everything for us. That was level 30-40. That is not low level.

Finally, whats it going to be like when level cap goes up? Is it going to be fun when the first level 75s are pling all the level 50s to 65 or 70?

What is the point of having levels in a game if you can just watch someone else give them to you? The way power leveling is right now, they might as well just have the GMs auto advance everyone to cap, raise the cap, and do it again.
10-08-2011, 02:40 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Travesty

I don't believe a 50 can PL a 45 very well. Obviously, there will be diminishing returns at some point, probably around level 45.

And I don't think everyone will have friends to PL them. But enough will for it to damage the game balance.

There's a reason that a mechanic like this doesn't exist in any other mmo. It's very obviously game breaking. People who can't see that are shortsighted, dumb, or don't care if the game breaks.

When was this game not broken? There has been leveling exploits throughout its entire 1 year life... so?
10-08-2011, 02:42 AM
Kiote

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Originally Posted by RemVye

When was this game not broken? There has been leveling exploits throughout its entire 1 year life... so?

The point is they are supposed to be fixing it, not making it worse.
10-08-2011, 02:43 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by RemVye

When was this game not broken? There has been leveling exploits throughout its entire 1 year life... so?

So even though they're trying to fix it, we shouldn't complain when a new one pops up because hey, sh*t was already broken?

Genius.
10-08-2011, 02:49 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Travesty

So even though they're trying to fix it, we shouldn't complain when a new one pops up because hey, sh*t was already broken?

Genius.

The point is that there is always going to be some loop hole or leveling exploit that people find. Plug one hole and another springs up.
10-08-2011, 02:50 AM
Crica

Straight from Yoshi - P: Power Leveling was given by Yoshi-P to the players with his blessing! /joy!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-07-2011%29

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Q: After the claiming system change in patch 1.19, I'm afraid everyone will be power leveling each other. What do you think of this?

A: It depends on what you consider power leveling. For example, if my friend and I were playing completely different games. I've already reached the level 50 cap, and then I invite my friend. Of course I want to do end game content like Ifrit with him, but I invited him, and he wants to play too, and we are really good friends so I want to help him out.

I can help him out with my level 50 character when he's being attacked by a monster. Of course it's going to lower the XP a bit, but I'd like to make it a bit loose and not too strict. I just want to make sure friends are able to help each other if they want to challenge content together by filling the gap.

Much <3, Yoshi-P, much <3!!
10-08-2011, 02:53 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by RemVye

The point is that there is always going to be some loop hole or leveling exploit that people find. Plug one hole and another springs up.

Um... no. Minor exploits to speed up leveling a little bit, maybe. Not ones like this.
10-08-2011, 02:56 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Crica

Straight from Yoshi - P: Power Leveling was given by Yoshi-P to the players with his blessing! /joy!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-07-2011%29

Much <3, Yoshi-P, much <3!!

The severity of what we're seeing in game now, is not represented in those comments. If they truly intended for it to be like it is now, they wouldn't have wasted time reworking low level content.
10-08-2011, 02:59 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Um... no. Minor exploits to speed up leveling a little bit, maybe. Not ones like this.

See the post above yours. Like I said before, Yoshi deemed it ok. Looks like FFXIV is /doomed I don't think this is game breaking, but again I don't really care. It's a game and I'd rather do end game content then level classes I don't like but "need" there skill / abilities.
10-08-2011, 02:59 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by Travesty

The severity of what we're seeing in game now, is not represented in those comments.

He said if he is lvl 50 and invited his friend to come join the game and play with him, he wanted to be able to help his friend with his own lvl 50 character close the gap between them so they could play at lvl 50 together...

how does his comment NOT represent him wanting the game to allow him to power-level his friend from 1 to 50?!
10-08-2011, 03:00 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Travesty

The severity of what we're seeing in game now, is not represented in those comments. If they truly intended for it to be like it is now, they wouldn't have wasted time reworking low level content.

"Re-working" low level content? You mean adding a non-instanced R15 open world dungeon? Am I missing something here?
10-08-2011, 03:03 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Crica

He said if he is lvl 50 and invited his friend to come join the game and play with him, he wanted to be able to close the gap so they could play at lvl 50 together...

how does his comment NOT represent him wanting the game to allow him to power-level his friend from 1 to 50?!

He doesn't say he want's them to be able to do it in a day. In fact, he says "the experience will be less" which is the opposite of what we're seeing. He also says he wants the 50 to be able to help when the lower level is "being attacked by a monster" which is not what we're seeing. We're seeing high levels just slaughtering groups of mobs for low level players.
10-08-2011, 03:06 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by Travesty

He doesn't say he want's them to be able to do it in a day. In fact, he says "the experience will be less" which is the opposite of what we're seeing. He also says he wants the 50 to be able to help when the lower level is "being attacked by a monster" which is not what we're seeing. We're seeing high levels just slaughtering groups of mobs for low level players.

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Of course it's going to lower the XP a bit, but I'd like to make it a bit loose and not too strict. I just want to make sure friends are able to help each other if they want to challenge content together by filling the gap.

Just a bit less exp, not too strict...

make sure friends are able to help each other...on the same content...and fill up the level gap...(his friend is lvl 1 and he is lvl 50)

he doesn't say NOT in a day, either...
10-08-2011, 03:06 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"Re-working" low level content? You mean adding a non-instanced R15 open world dungeon? Am I missing something here?

Low level armor, weapons, materia, mobs, etc.

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I don't think this is game breaking, but again I don't really care.

And this is where you and I differ apparently. I care if the game goes to sh*t because of a ridiculous leveling exploit. Shame on me.
10-08-2011, 03:08 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by Travesty

I care if the game goes to sh*t

How exactly is the game gonna go to Shizta when someone other then you is playing with their buddies and catching up to them so they can play in the same content together???

you are acting like they should have joined the game to be able to play with YOU...

newsflash, they wouldn't have even joined the game if they could not catch up to their buddies and play in the same content with them...

YOU have nothing to do with why they are playing or not...

perhaps you should find your own friends to play with and worry about how you and them are gonna play together instead of how players who are not your friends are playing without you?
10-08-2011, 03:16 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Crica

How exactly is the game gonna go to Shizta when someone other then you is playing with their buddies and catching up to them so they can play in the same content together???

you are acting like they should have joined the game to be able to play with YOU...

newsflash, they wouldn't have even joined the game if they could not catch up to their buddies and play in the same content with them...

YOU have nothing to do with why they are playing or not...

perhaps you should find your own friends to play with and worry about how you and them are gonna play together instead of how players who are not your friends are playing without you?

How many times do I and other people have to explain why this breaks the core mechanics and balance of the game for everyone? Seriously? How many times?
10-08-2011, 03:22 AM
DNO

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Originally Posted by Kiote

First of all 45-50 is a Party not a PL not that it really matters.

Second of all, since the patch I have gotten 5 parties. Every single one started out as a standard party with 4+ people grinding on Mobs pulling in good chain at a good pace. Within the hour, every single time, the leader invited a level 50 to join the party and kill everything for us. That was level 30-40. That is not low level.

Finally, whats it going to be like when level cap goes up? Is it going to be fun when the first level 75s are pling all the level 50s to 65 or 70?

What is the point of having levels in a game if you can just watch someone else give them to you? The way power leveling is right now, they might as well just have the GMs auto advance everyone to cap, raise the cap, and do it again.

First of all READ then post.

second of all if your not for PL THEN LEAVE the party.

finally if the capp goes up then so what. There are more lvls, mobs get harder and just like ff11 its point less to have a PL in the mid-high lvls.

The point of having levels in a game is to slow down people. time sink. ITS NOT THE CORE OF THE GAME. its there to slow people down to get to endgame. Some people have fun doing it (me) some people just wonna do it fast.

Just because you do not agree does not mean it is wrong. Every game has a form of PL. If someone has a friend who wants to use their free time to help another friend then he should be able to. I payed for the game so did you. So i should be able to do things my way and you should be able to do things your way. Pleasing everyone is the way to a big userbase. the question is can SE execute it in a meaning full and working way A la WoW.
10-08-2011, 03:23 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Low level armor, weapons, materia, mobs, etc.

And this is where you and I differ apparently. I care if the game goes to sh*t because of a ridiculous leveling exploit. Shame on me.

They didn't design materia strictly for low level gear, and what gear isn't out-dated from 1.18. I'm pretty sure it was technical reasons that they had to develop entire new armor so that materia could be bound to it. 1 - 20 is supposed to be fast... and 35-50 is just as fast... if anything you should complain that 35-50 is too fast not that people are powerleveling low levels.
10-08-2011, 03:24 AM
DNO

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Originally Posted by RemVye

All aboard the Logic-Train... conductor DNO is driving!

I love how Lodestone is full of Doom Syndrome kids who use extreme examples in an attempt to prove a point. 100% of people are going to PL and go from 1 - 50 in one day and then FFXIV will be empty cause... uh.. cause everyone will quit because... uh... because!!!!!!!!!! /DOOM /sike

Hahahahah so true.
10-08-2011, 03:26 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by RemVye

They didn't design materia strictly for low level gear, and what gear isn't out-dated from 1.18. I'm pretty sure it was technical reasons that they had to develop entire new armor so that materia could be bound to it. 1 - 20 is supposed to be fast... and 35-50 is just as fast... if anything you should complain that 35-50 is too fast not that people are powerleveling low levels.

Wow, you really need to read what I've been saying. I'm not complaining strictly about people powerleveling low levels lol. I've actually cited someone going from 35-44 in 2 hours as an example of the problem.
10-08-2011, 03:28 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Wow, you really need to read what I've been saying. I'm not complaining strictly about people powerleveling low levels lol. I've actually cited someone going from 35-44 in 2 hours as an example of the problem.

as long as you don't have to do it, what the heck is your problem??

not everyone is gonna do it, you are a shining example of that fact...

so go play with the players who are not gonna do it and leave us players who are alone...

or we gonna poke you with really big PL sticks... k?

I may even use Yoshi-P's PL stick.... and it has this new-fangled electro-choco zapper on it... leaves a nasty wark! on the brain!
10-08-2011, 03:31 AM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Crica

as long as you don't have to do it, what the heck is your problem??

not everyone is gonna do it, you are a shining example of that fact...

so go play with the players who are not gonna do it and leave us players who are alone...

or we gonna poke you with really big PL sticks... k?

I may even use Yoshi-P's PL stick.... and it has this new-fangled electro-choco zapper on it... leaves a nasty wark! on the brain!

For the 1000x, because the fact that the ability to do it exists within the game, causes negative effects for everyone. The counter points to everything you just said have been logically explained in this thread a dozen times already.
10-08-2011, 03:32 AM
Eekiki

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Originally Posted by Travesty

I've never seen anyone on this forum say "I want to be able to go from level 1-50 in a day without actually killing anything myself."

Not the point. The point is, now you can if you want to, and can find someone willing to take you there. What's it to you if someone else does it? You can grind levels however you want now.
10-08-2011, 03:33 AM
Zezil

LV syn the best system on ffxi.. why not call it back to FFXIV .. for fix this problem if high lv can't join fight with low lv.. and now dungeon and instant dun got exp very fast.. that enough for power lvl with out high lv kill all alone that so bore i think can make 15-20k per hr with dungeon like now with pt 4 ppl in 1 day can make 2-5 lv in mid lv. it is faster then old lq trick loop and must change dun by lv that will explorer the world

...now i call friend to fight normal pt or exp in instant raid but i can't find anyone anymore coz far range or... PL faster alot why we need to do normal method lol...

ps. my LS have around 100 ppl and alway online 20 ppl+ but i can't find one to go exp in dun or instant raid lol....( all focus on beastman SH or PL)

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