Again, you're saying "I deal with it, everyone else should just deal with this crap, too".Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
Why should I have to sacrifice my gil because SE's system sucks?
And what happens when everyone is selling the wrong items in every other ward and those fill up, too?
Why is it necessary to have separate wards if we aren't selling the items that fall under that category? Why is it necessary to have wards at all? They're the crux of the market in this game and everyone knows it. We're all just too used to it to not look at it from an outside perspective.
Edit: Also, good luck getting your items repaired if you aren't in the menders row.
Wow, no mention of Auction house / MW improvements
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10-06-2011, 04:56 AMTsuga
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10-06-2011, 05:27 AMSake
Some sort of system that doesn't make me load room after room of zombies would be very nice.
Retainesr need to be redesigned as a way for players to sell items in towns, outposts and camps by placing stands that players can rent at designated places. Allowing players to populated the world with player made items and produce an economy that players run a bit more.
Some sort of market system that allows us to sell items at a set price with out numerous loading screens and allows players to find a normalized price for an item(Look at the Eve Markets - Immersion is no reason to give players frustrating systems).
I know many players don't even pay attention to the game anymore because of the joke it has been and one of the major issues was and still is economy!
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10-06-2011, 05:33 AMDrust
Well on the server I am on every single market ward is full of retainers, finally managed to get one in last night after the server reset, and then the market wards crashed and i've had to set her up 4 more times since. And now this time I entered a market ward and am not stuck in it as the menu to exit/search/change wards doesn't come up anymore.
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10-06-2011, 05:40 AMKioTo be honest, prior to the game's release I thought this was what they were advertising when it came to retainers. It sounded more like you could run your own little npc vendor store as a side hobby if that was your fancy.How involved as a retailer would have been based on your investment (store versus stand, etc) And that I thought was cute and clever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sake
However, zombie room full of NPCs peddling wares like a back alley market was what I got. Personally I have no affection for it and wish it were gone. It feels like a blemish on the game. I don't even see any arguments legitimately for the wards other than people rather focus on fixing other things first. Rather than waste time dolling them up, I can't help but feel it's in the better interest of the game in the long term to simply rid of them and implement a more user friendly and familiar AH system.
That said, I think parts of the original concept like you mentioned would be nice recycled back into the game.
I remember in my time on FFXI, it became a lucrative business to park mule characters at strategic areas with bazaars tailored for that area. Especially stealth potions in high aggro zones, or foods and ninja tools near exp camps. I was really hoping that wards and retainers would eventually evolve to something more akin to running a business rather than just parking and hoping your price is lower than the other 50 zombies surrounding you. -
10-06-2011, 05:43 AMTsugaHah, we're both on Besaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drust
I've only really attempted to sell things in Spellcraft, Tailor, and tried to get repairs in Mending. They're ALWAYS full.
In my opinion revamping the economy should be as much a priority as the battle revamp was, and it starts with eliminating the focus on Wards, just like battle revamp started with elimination of the action bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kio
They can touch the wards up all they want, but it's just a waste of time compared to the potentially better system that an AH would bring in.
If I could set a retainer up near outposts or aetheryte camps, that would actually make them 100 times more useful. Also being able to level them up, get special outfits for them, things like that would be pretty cool, too. It'd make me like my retainers, at least.Quote:
That said, I think parts of the original concept like you mentioned would be nice recycled back into the game.
I remember in my time on FFXI, it became a lucrative business to park mule characters at strategic areas with bazaars tailored for that area. Especially stealth potions in high aggro zones, or foods and ninja tools near exp camps. I was really hoping that wards and retainers would eventually evolve to something more akin to running a business rather than just parking and hoping your price is lower than the other 50 zombies surrounding you.
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10-06-2011, 05:41 PMZachCero
Ok, I am not quoting anyone but this is what I have experienced since 1.19 patch.
1) I log in set up my retainer....
2) come back 30 mins later thinking something sold, no it was wards shutdown or reset.
3) reset my retainer.....
4) go out and experience the amazing new content...
5) come back thinking something sold... again... no that was wards reseting again.
6) set up my retainer yet again along with my second retainer cause now I have back stock that piling.(that needs to sell)
7) go out and experience some other new content ^^b
8) come back thinking something sold but id be stupid if I believed that, and of course i was right, wards rest AGAIN!
9) DO I HAVE TO KEEP GOING?
Can we get some AH action going on here? I have seen so many people asking for an AH, but alas, no AH....
(encase you are wondering AH mean Auction house..) <~~~ maybe why they haven't implemented it yet!!! zomg maybe that's it!
Seriously I dont wanna turn this into a rage letter. I love everything about this patch it is plain freaking awesome!
So why not put the cherry on the fabulous cake you call Final Fantasy 14and add a auction house!!!! -
10-07-2011, 12:01 AMDreamer
We could probably fix the majority of the ward crashing ourselves if everyone would stop insisting on setting up their retainers in Ul'dah. I can't remember the last time I saw the Gridanian wards crash.
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10-07-2011, 01:51 AMSeifThis is what the arguments of the anti-new-features-players have come down to? Blame the players? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
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10-07-2011, 01:59 AMDreamerI wasn't blaming anyone, just advocating a proactive (and temporary) possible solution. The wards shouldn't crash the way they do, but since that's the case, it's not a bad idea to try to help from our end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seif
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10-07-2011, 02:20 AMFleur
Now we just need to have some players all in Ul'dahn GC gear march over to the wards and "post" a notice:
"The Ul'dah Market Wards are currently experiencing difficulties due to overload and may be unavailable. Please set up your retainers in the Market Dens in Gridania instead until further notice. We thank you for your cooperation."
Well, it might work on Besaid (the unofficial RP server) at least! :p Gridania was really busy last night too.
Seriously though, if the servers can't handle this many people, I don't know how they are going to manage with a regularly larger population. Yes, there were a lot of people on due to the recent patch, but I'd like to think the amount of people on was what a game with a nice robust population would have at peak play time, not a ridiculous overload of people. -
10-10-2011, 01:37 AMSeif
While these might be short-term problems the long term solutions shouldn't rely on the system not crashing when people use it only in a certain way. Honestly though I don't remember having to deal with server crashes ever in XI's AH system. I don't remember one single time when there were emergency fixes or problems caused only by the AH system. MW in addition to killing the economy in it's infancy also seems to kill itself on regular basis.
I went there to crash the game a few times but now I just figured that grinding with gimped gear is way less of a hassle than to boot the game every few minutes when trying to buy something -
10-10-2011, 02:33 AMSephrI don't think that's a very practical solution, really. It takes long enough to find something as it is, having to move between the three countries to track things down would be awful. I for one would take the crashes so that I can see all of the items in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
Also, has this been posted?:
One of the answers from the LIVE thing, looks like 'the Market' is a big priority so we might get an AH quite soon. Kinda sad they're basing it off XI's system for either of those things, because both were pretty clunky in that game.Quote:
A: This is a very important topic for us and we are currently looking into creating a system where it is much easier to form parties.
A minor adjustment has been made to the party formation system when Dzemael Darkhold was implemented but we consider that it's not yet complete. I believe that the Market and the party formation system are the next big issue so we are planning to use FFXI's system as a reference and make an adjustment as soon as possible. Schedule and details on this will be announced once they are ready so please hang on.
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10-10-2011, 03:15 AMdrivendawn
dont post much but buy your few posts to starplayer i would say your a good example of whats wrong with this forum :)
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10-10-2011, 03:18 AMdrivendawn
above to belial
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10-10-2011, 03:27 AMAmsai
I agree with Drivendawn, your an a**hole Belial
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10-12-2011, 06:35 AMReliquia
I find the market wards to be much inferior to the AH system. I will however say that the market wards have improved a lot since they first came out, back then it was an absolute disaster. Right now I think that they are more user friendly, but still not as user friendly as I would like a market system to work.
However I don't like them, I don't like using them, I actually avoid them. I don't sell much or buy much because I don't like having to go there, I feel that it's clunky, troublesome and overly complicated. In FFXI I could spend hours on the AH in Jeuno while waiting for xp parties. I loved to browse, the AH was simple and quick. The AH was split in different organized section with categories, I didn't have to zone or look for a retainer. It was easy to compare gear, browse in an ascending level, take a look at the history and see how many items where on sale without having to move a muscle. I could sell things without having to summon a retainer too.
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10-12-2011, 07:04 AMTsubarta
There are many topics that could be brought up with the mention of the Market Ward. In truth, I found merit in every incarnation of the Market Ward.
1st: A complete mystery to the player, who now had the options of either braving a cluttered mass of wards for an hour trying to find what they wanted or seeking out people in the open. This ultimately lead to roadside bazaars and a very independent method of setting prices. It was pretty special to troll the Ul'dah strip, looking for the best value - you could nab something for 40k that everyone else was charging 110k for if you knew where to look and who was known to give the best prices. Very intriguing, but functionally dead on arrival: you can't sustain this in a post-WoW world where everyone expects accessibility and structure. Would have been amazing 9 years ago, though.
2nd: So they add names and designations to the wards instead of just calling them "Ward #". This makes the more cooperative people go in rank and file, but many didn't pay attention or had already built reputations as vendors along the sidewalks. It's still fairly impossible to find what you're looking for, as it did nothing to decrease the number of retainers to swim through.
3rd: They add item search, effectively making it an FFXI auction house in terms of finding product. This pretty much did away with sidewalk bazaars, and made purchasing items functional! However, selling on the retainer's side is a hassle. Being able to pinpoint the cheapest possible price is extremely convenient for buyer's, but a nightmare for sellers.
It's easy to spend money now, but it isn't easy to make for the average player. In WoW AND XI the average player could just pop their recent stacks of farmed items on the AH and expect a certain amount back in return so long as they played by the economy's rules. There is no rule in XIV, and almost all items worth purchasing are only attainable through leveling DoL classes or having a max level crafter - crafters do not rely on the average player for bulk materials, they can just make it on their own. Not to mention, the XIV market wards require a significantly larger amount of vigilance to maintain even basic sales of items as opposed to the click of a button from XI and WoW.
TL;DR
- We know you guys want the Market Ward to work, but it's never going to be what you wanted it to be. Count your losses, and get working on the Auction House that every other MMO has. Being a unique snowflake doesn't matter when you're melting.