Beastman Strongholds

This thread needs more win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCWk...yer_embedded#!

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Uh.. No, there is no MMO in existence that puts out multiple dungeons, environmental overhauls, UI upgrades, and Class adjustments, multiple quests, major story components, brand new systems and Fundimental Stat reforms on a weekly basses. It is literally not possible. I work on MMO. As in, they pay me to make them. It takes well over a month just to plan and build a 60 minute raids. That doesn't include testing and adjustments.

Meanful content at the rate SE is working is unheard of in the industry.

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Tera, Rift. etcs

The 'entire server' would have to split itself into three anyway; there are multiple camps yaknow. My guess is that the one near Ul'dah may suffer from this, but I highly doubt you will find quite so many people in the wilds of Grid or LL.

I predict zero difficulty enjoying the hell out of these new areas; and maybe we should stop being such a Negative Nancy and wait and see, eh?

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Originally Posted by viion

About as promising as "20 fierce notorious monsters will come!" No more than achievement pets. about as promising as "Dungeons will be a challenge!".

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That's that funny, because last I checked every single one of those NMs offered a challenging on level experience and a reward that people still use well beyond their level.

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Originally Posted by viion

Tera, Rift. etcs

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Tera is failing before it can even get out of Korea and Rift doesn't know the meaning of Meaningful Content, that's why its 5 dollars.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

That's that funny, because last I checked every single one of those NMs offered a challenging on level experience and a reward that people still use well beyond their level.

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Did them all in 1 night, and even the first set of high lv nms were easy, guess the multiple ones took a bit getting used to, tho didnt die on mossy. Nothing was challenging, and then dungeons came and it wasnt challenging and now this will not be challenging because everyone will just pound through and there will be an insane amount of people hitting the mob. Like havine CFH on 24/7 in XI.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Tera is failing before it can even get out of Korea and Rift doesn't know the meaning of Meaningful Content, that's why its 5 dollars.

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Weird how you resort to that when its doing insanely better than XIV and its at least making money, oh yeh and its out of Korean as it released in Japan =)

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Originally Posted by Kiote

That's that funny, because last I checked every single one of those NMs offered a challenging on level experience and a reward that people still use well beyond their level.

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Eternal Shade is a rank 25 PUG chestpiece that can easily last all the way up to rank 50 at the moment

Aquired from Queen Bolette, took about 5 minutes to knock her down with a Gladiator + Conjurer of the same rank, Conjurer almost ran out of mana, and that was with the Gladiator using heals too.

Sounds a bit more challenging than *punch marmot > marmot dies*

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Originally Posted by viion

Did them all in 1 night, and even the first set of high lv nms were easy, guess the multiple ones took a bit getting used to, tho didnt die on mossy. Nothing was challenging, and then dungeons came and it wasnt challenging and now this will not be challenging because everyone will just pound through and there will be an insane amount of people hitting the mob. Like havine CFH on 24/7 in XI.

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I said on level, maybe you should try not doing everything at level 50.

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Originally Posted by viion

Did them all in 1 night, and even the first set of high lv nms were easy, guess the multiple ones took a bit getting used to, tho didnt die on mossy. Nothing was challenging, and then dungeons came and it wasnt challenging and now this will not be challenging because everyone will just pound through and there will be an insane amount of people hitting the mob. Like havine CFH on 24/7 in XI.

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Know why it wasn't challenging? Because you were fighting rank 35 NM's at rank 50 using a cookie-cutter setup.

That's dull.

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Why do you say that? Treespeak (which is near Lasthold) is an R40 area like Broken Water. Bald Knoll (which is near Isles of Umbra) is also an R40 area.

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I think we are going off of where the new "non-marked" beastman camps were placed in various areas, when 1.18 was introduced.. If you head east of Broken Water, in the area that has since been confirmed as the Amalj'aa beastman camp, there are three Amalj'aa camps that are not marked on the map. One is rank 40 to 42, 2nd rank 44 to 46, 3rd rank 48 to 49. These were likely placed there as a sense "increased presence", I'm thinking.

Up in Treespeak, there are also three "non-marked" Ixali beastman camps, so it seems very likely the Ixali Sronghold will be in Treespeak. I'm actually not sure about La Noscea, but I have seen one unmarked kobold camp at Iron Lake, and there has always been a contingent of high-rank kobolds there, so have always figured that was where the kobolds lived.

Could always be surprised, though! :o

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Originally Posted by Amineri

I think we are going off of where the new "non-marked" beastman camps were placed in various areas, when 1.18 was introduced.. If you head east of Broken Water, in the area that has since been confirmed as the Amalj'aa beastman camp, there are three Amalj'aa camps that are not marked on the map. One is rank 40 to 42, 2nd rank 44 to 46, 3rd rank 48 to 49. These were likely placed there as a sense "increased presence", I'm thinking.

Up in Treespeak, there are also three "non-marked" Ixali beastman camps, so it seems very likely the Ixali Sronghold will be in Treespeak. I'm actually not sure about La Noscea, but I have seen one unmarked kobold camp at Iron Lake, and there has always been a contingent of high-rank kobolds there, so have always figured that was where the kobolds lived.

Could always be surprised, though! :o

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I'm just hoping the Beast-man architecture looks cool. Location does matter to much to me.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Know why it wasn't challenging? Because you were fighting rank 35 NM's at rank 50 using a cookie-cutter setup.

That's dull.

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Why you assume I did them on my 50? They were released as "Mid-NM's" I used my Arch, which at time was 30 or 32. Was too easy for me n my friends (light pt), guess we're just the exceptional few that dont find a 5 minute easy fight of "tank holds, i spam A and healers heal. Guess i expected a bit more.

only one I did on my 50 was Koko and Jack as I was there for the items so wanted quick kills.

I want Challenging content that other people cant fk with, and this is not it, and as the forum is here for everyone and Yoshi asks us to say what we want, stop crying because i dont agree with this content.

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Originally Posted by viion

Why you assume I did them on my 50? They were released as "Mid-NM's" I used my Arch, which at time was 30 or 32. Was too easy for me n my friends (light pt), guess we're just the exceptional few that dont find a 5 minute easy fight of "tank holds, i spam A and healers heal. Guess i expected a bit more.

only one I did on my 50 was Koko and Jack as I was there for the items so wanted quick kills.

I want Challenging content that other people cant fk with, and this is not it, and as the forum is here for everyone and Yoshi asks us to say what we want, stop crying because i dont agree with this content.

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NM's are designed to be fought in a party, they're like mini-loot givers, you did well because you battled it the way it was designed.

Oh, and Archers are overpowered

Nyaha, I got in there first :p

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Originally Posted by viion

Did them all in 1 night, and even the first set of high lv nms were easy, guess the multiple ones took a bit getting used to, tho didnt die on mossy. Nothing was challenging, and then dungeons came and it wasnt challenging and now this will not be challenging because everyone will just pound through and there will be an insane amount of people hitting the mob. Like havine CFH on 24/7 in XI.




Weird how you resort to that when its doing insanely better than XIV and its at least making money, oh yeh and its out of Korean as it released in Japan =)

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I would be more than happy to give you a guide on how to play TERA right now if you would quit FFXIV and never come back.

btw I already have you on my ignore list have for a long time. Sometimes I decide to respond to you anyways for the benefit of others who haven't had the luxury of reading your 1,823 other gems of "insight".

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Originally Posted by viion

Wow you getting really angry hahah. If you say so!



.................... really not, so many companies have done so much in a very short time. Pulling content and stuff like this in just general weekly patches lol. SE is extremely slow compared to the modern MMO.

I expect more, I always will, dont like that? Ignore me or deal with it =D

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boppity boopy!

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Originally Posted by viion

Why you assume I did them on my 50? They were released as "Mid-NM's" I used my Arch, which at time was 30 or 32. Was too easy for me n my friends (light pt), guess we're just the exceptional few that dont find a 5 minute easy fight of "tank holds, i spam A and healers heal. Guess i expected a bit more.

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If you ran around killing all the new NMs in one night, and weren't really caring about drops, You are Doing it Wrong - and your judgement that it's 'not challenging enough' isn't really worth much to me.

I can't stand braggarts... sorry the game isn't tough enough for you and your apparently bad-ass friends.

Regarding "mobbing" of new content. Here's the list of new content (as I can recall it).

Three beastman strongholds

• Ifrit primal fight
• Low level public dungeon (for those who haven't maxed out all classes, anyhow >.>' )
• Caravan escort (again for lower level classes)
• Ability to join Grand Companies
• Grand Company leves
• Grand Company "supply and replenishment" objectives (no idea what these are!)
• Brand new recipes for new items to craft
• Ability to earn private chocobo
• Brand new material drops for gatherers (e.g. specular iron ore for cobalt, materia catalysts)
• Materia melder and augmented materia melder quests for crafters

So, which do you want to do? Be the first to "beat" a stronghold (pick one of three)? Fight and defeat Ifrit? Achieve high rank in your chosen Grand Company? Earn a Chocobo? Create a new set of armor with materia? Seems like there's a decent amount of content to split people attention, plus content for lower level people that will just be starting out, which is a great thing.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

Regarding "mobbing" of new content. Here's the list of new content (as I can recall it).

Three beastman strongholds

• Ifrit primal fight
• Low level public dungeon (for those who haven't maxed out all classes, anyhow >.>' )
• Caravan escort (again for lower level classes)
• Ability to join Grand Companies
• Grand Company leves
  
• Grand Company "supply and replenishment" objectives (no idea what these are!)
• Brand new recipes for new items to craft
• Ability to earn private chocobo
• Brand new material drops for gatherers (e.g. specular iron ore for cobalt, materia catalysts)
• Materia melder and augmented materia melder quests for crafters

So, which do you want to do? Be the first to "beat" a stronghold (pick one of three)? Fight and defeat Ifrit? Achieve high rank in your chosen Grand Company? Earn a Chocobo? Create a new set of armor with materia? Seems like there's a decent amount of content to split people attention, plus content for lower level people that will just be starting out, which is a great thing.

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DoL/DoH grand Company quests.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I would be more than happy to give you a guide on how to play TERA right now if you would quit FFXIV and never come back.

btw I already have you on my ignore list have for a long time. Sometimes I decide to respond to you anyways for the benefit of others who haven't had the luxury of reading your 1,823 other gems of "insight".

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If you read my other posts you'd know im far from a troll, I've never made a single thread, many of my posts are length and insightful and many talk about the game, where as you just call people people a troll and attack the poster because they dislike something that you like, thats how wars start my friend!

You could also read my signature or realise I run a dedicated XIV webapp service.

Also you getting me away from the game is 1 less subscription for the game and i guarantee im not the first you wish would leave the game and i can even more guarantee you are not the first to want someone not to play this, add all those up and you're affectively telling people to just leave and not bother giving SE any money when its p2p, so how much are you really helping out? Looking like the good guy when your opinionated voice as a whole in the community is hurting SE slowly.

I do play Tera, if you read my other 1,824 posts you'd know that. I also play many other games because I dont bind myself to one game like its a girlfriend and playing another game is an act of cheating!

=)

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

If you ran around killing all the new NMs in one night, and weren't really caring about drops, You are Doing it Wrong - and your judgement that it's 'not challenging enough' isn't really worth much to me.

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How is getting an item by killing lots of time "a Challenge"? I also didnt know i had to play a specific way.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

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Reported for this, thank you for reminding me how low and amateur this community has stooped.

Example of S.E's current speed over other popular MMO:

Since release S.E has altered many of the core features of this game including the battle classes, crafting classes, the ways they operate, and stuff like that, they're about to release an enormous patch with an unbelievable amount of content on it at almost the exact 1 year mark since it's release.

Blizzard released Wrath Of The Lich King, then made minor class tweaks here and there for about a year then all they gave people was 1 raid, 6 months later they got.... another raid, then 6 months later they got..... another raid and 3 extremely short dungeons.

Warhammer Online has only really ever released minor patches and 2 resonable sized content patches since it came out years ago.

Age Of Conan had an expansion pack that added 1 new area, a few new dungeons, a new race and a whole bunch of new reps to grind.

We getting the picture now?

If S.E's speed is 'slow' to you then all these other MMO's may as well just stop moving. :p

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Example of S.E's current speed over other popular MMO:

Since release S.E has altered many of the core features of this game including the battle classes, crafting classes, the ways they operate, and stuff like that, they're about to release an enormous patch with an unbelievable amount of content on it at almost the exact 1 year mark since it's release.

Blizzard released Wrath Of The Lich King, then made minor class tweaks here and there for about a year then all they gave people was 1 raid, 6 months later they got.... another raid, then 6 months later they got..... another raid and 3 extremely short dungeons.

Warhammer Online has only really ever released minor patches and 2 resonable sized content patches since it came out years ago.

Age Of Conan had an expansion pack that added 1 new area, a few new dungeons, a new race and a whole bunch of new reps to grind.

We getting the picture now?

If S.E's speed is 'slow' to you then all these other MMO's may as well just stop moving.

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I was actually mocking him lol

My bad, quotation removed and emote added to remove finger pointing and add light-hearted tone to post.

Sorry 'bout that :3

Btw who are those three people in your sig anyways?

The one in the middle is scary.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

My bad, quotation removed and emote added to remove finger pointing and add light-hearted tone to post.

Sorry 'bout that :3

Btw who are those three people in your sig anyways?

The one in the middle is scary.

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lol np!

It's Kalafina!

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

lol np!

It's Kalafina!

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Who's Kalafina? :3

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Who's Kalafina? :3

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She's that Asian lady you can look up on google.. lol jk

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Originally Posted by Kiote

She's that Asian lady you can look up on google.. lol jk

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Y'know it never actually dawned on me to do that XD

Sort of looks like Nana Kitade +2 extra from google images :3

LOL .

And magically the strange totally irrelevant change of topic for just a few posts has qwuelled the thread rage again.

I should have been a community rep (b'.')b

Continue beastman camp debate!

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How is getting an item by killing lots of time "a Challenge"? I also didnt know i had to play a specific way.

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It's a challenge, because you have to learn to kill the mobs efficiently and quickly, so that people can get drops. Sure you and your group of bad-asses zerged Alux once or twice; good for you. As you said, he and others are hardly impossible to beat, especially if a few members of your group are higher level (which I am pretty sure was the case, as that's how 99% of these things go). But is there any real skill in that? Nope. However, figuring out how to beat a mob consistently, quickly and safely is difficult, and those skills really help out later in the game when you are facing life-or-death situations in tougher content.

You might want to take a look at your posts and ask yourself: "why do posters here seem to think I come across as an elitist jerk, when I'm not one?" Perhaps you could be slightly less negative if you don't want to be perceived that way. Going on and on about how great other MMOs are simply isn't going to make you friends around here. Bragging about what a good player you and your friends are doesn't help either.

Back on topic, re: the Beastmen strongholds: I think your fears are misplaced. Why don't you wait and try it a bit, after it comes out? Then you can come back and tell us how much it sucks, with proof...

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Popping in to clarify that the Beastman Strongholds will indeed be open world areas and not instanced.

I also wanted to show you guys the bigger images of Zahar'ak. Since the forum software kinda shrunk and further compressed the images, I added direct links under the images of even bigger and higher res shots. Enjoy! :D

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I think it might be a good idea to post high res pics like those on lodestone every update, because when www.massively.com does news articles on FFXIV, they have to scale up the photos and it ends up reducing the quality and it reflects poorly on the game's graphics. Or maybe that's just massively.com.

I foresee large mob trains to zone. epic linkage

I foresee all these people complaining about the 1.19 content will suddenly decide they like it when they play it.

They will then commence trolling and flaming about the 1.20 content untill that comes out, and repeat, untill they eventually develop a split personality from the constant changes of mind, and that split personality strangles them in their sleep.

I won't be doing the beastmen camps anytime soon though, I'm only rank 24 conjurer and I'm not that interested in beating stuff up anyways.

However it does sound interesting and will be something I will want to experience eventually, when I want to.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I foresee large mob trains to zone. epic linkage

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• Patch 1.19 will see the introduction of the enemy link system.

The enemy link system allows an enemy to call for reinforcements based on the strength of the party that initiated contact with it.

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In Eorzea, enemies zerg you right back!

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Originally Posted by viion

Tera, Rift. etcs

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Rift yeah, Tera though? lol. There's a reason Koreans even hate that game you know, but you'll adamantly deny anything negative about it.

I once trained a Tonberry in FFXI all the way to Kazham before they patch mobs to depop, it was an epic accidental MPK'age. I remember those times in Garlaige Citadel too XD

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Popping in to clarify that the Beastman Strongholds will indeed be open world areas and not instanced.

I also wanted to show you guys the bigger images of Zahar'ak. Since the forum software kinda shrunk and further compressed the images, I added direct links under the images of even bigger and higher res shots. Enjoy! :D

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OMG, Thank you so much Rukkirii!! I just noticed the Drake in the cage to the left of the Amalj'aa NM after you blew the images up for us! So awesome!! :p

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

This thread needs more win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCWk...yer_embedded#!

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bahahahahahaha

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Rift yeah, Tera though? lol. There's a reason Koreans even hate that game you know, but you'll adamantly deny anything negative about it.

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TERA's selling pointing was... well, look at female humans in it and it'll be quite clear.

Sex does indeed sell, but not when that is all you're getting.

Unless that's all you wanted.

There's a nice one on the horizon called Lonestar that looks quite good though.

Oh and that enemy reinforcement thing sounds like fun.

Like you've got a 50 kill chain going, you charge at a marmot and suddenly an enormous army of marmots come steaming over a nearby hill and stomp you into the ground XD

I foresee many extremely funny youtube videos in the near future.

I can't believe there was someone actually recording that guy do that.