Desynthesis Endgame Guide

anyone got any hints on levelling up ALC? i just reached 70 and got into the "i70 or primal" level.. i70 is meh and primal farming is meh lol.. is that all there is?

I don't really have a million gil to spend, is it worth doing the LTW desynth route partnered with my CUL/Spicy Tomato Relish to Artisan Specs route? It seems lots of money is being spent here, I fear the RNGesus.

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Originally Posted by Rosamund_Blackdale

I don't really have a million gil to spend, is it worth doing the LTW desynth route partnered with my CUL/Spicy Tomato Relish to Artisan Specs route? It seems lots of money is being spent here, I fear the RNGesus.

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RNG 81%, failed 7/10 >.< lol

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Originally Posted by Rosamund_Blackdale

I don't really have a million gil to spend, is it worth doing the LTW desynth route partnered with my CUL/Spicy Tomato Relish to Artisan Specs route? It seems lots of money is being spent here, I fear the RNGesus.

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I assume you're talking about getting FC3s via LTW to go with your MCDs from GSM desynthed Artisan Specs. You have two real choices here:

1. Make money via methods readily available to you (spritbonding, farming, etc), then buy the FC3s for about 50k each, which is what they're down to on my server.

2. Level up LTW desynth and get them yourself. Yield appears to be about 20% from Bridesmaid's Sandals, which means it'll cost you about 30k per FC3 obtained this way, once you have a 100% chance to desynth. When your LTW dSkill is 70, you only have a 50% chance, putting the estimated cost per FC3 at 60k (but getting you skill ups in the process). So, let's do some ballpark math.

• dSkill 1-20: about 100 gil for 0.5 skill = 4k gil
• dSkill 20-40: about 500 gil for 0.4 skill = 25k gil (Round that to 30k total)
• dSkill 40-60: about 500 gil for 0.2 skill = 50k gil (Round that to 100k total)
• dSkill 60-70: either about 500 gil for 0.05 skill (Legionary Visors) = 200k gil, or 6k gil for 0.7 skill (Bridesmaid's Sandals) at a ~45% chance = 190k + 2.8 FC3s, so you might as well do the sandals (Round that to 300k total, average of 3 total FC3s, 100k/FC3)
• dSkill 70-75: 6k gil for 0.50 skill at a ~55% chance = 109k, 2 FC3s (Round that to 400k total, average of 5 total FC3s, 80k/FC3)
• dSkill 75-80: 6k gil for 0.25 skill at a ~65% chance = 185k, 4 FC3s (Round that to 600k total, average of 9 total FC3s, 67k/FC3)
• dSkill 80-85: 6k gil for 0.12 skill at a ~73% chance = 342k, 8 FC3s (Round that to 1m total, average of 17 total FC3s, 59k/FC3)
• dSkill 85-90: 6k gil for 0.05 skill at a ~81% chance = 741k, 20 FC3s (Round that to 1.75m total, average of 37 total FC3s, 47k/FC3)
• To get your dSkill higher at this point, you'll need to find other ways to do it. The best is to run 2.4 dungeons for Myth gear and desynth it. Your chance will only be 44% at 87 skill, but you'll get about 0.4 skill per success. Assuming you get it up to dSkill 95, and then 100:
• dSkill 90: 6k gil for 0 skill at a 85% chance: 35k/FC3 (total cost/FC3 = 37 FC3s: 47k/FC3, 50 FC3s: 44k/FC3, 100 FC3s: 40k/FC3, 200 FC3s: 37k/FC3)
• dSkill 95: 6k gil for 0 skill at 92.5% chance: 32.5k/FC3 (assuming no additional costs to reach 95 from 90, total cost/FC3 = 37 FC3s: 47k/FC3, 50 FC3s: 43k/FC3, 100 FC3s: 38k/FC3, 200 FC3s: 35k/FC3))
• dSkill 100: 6k gil for 0 skill at 100% chance: 30k/FC3 (assuming no additional costs to reach 100 from 90, total cost/FC3 = 37 FC3s: 47k/FC3, 50 FC3s: 43k/FC3, 100 FC3s: 36k/FC3, 200 FC3s: 33k/FC3))

So, the question there is, how many FC3s are you going for? Less than 17 total? Buy them for 50k each and you'll still save money, assuming you don't want to make money, but you're getting closer to the theoretical break-even point. 37 or more? Get the skill up yourself and you'll save money. However, if you don't have the million to invest, you won't even make it to the 59k/FC3 point, much less the 47k/FC3 point which takes an investment of 1.75 million.

EDIT: My skill up numbers were a bit off. They should be good now.

Didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet, but for people that don't know you can desynth the old i90 Primal Jewelry dropped from Garuda/Titan/Ifrit Ex. They have the same sucess rate as old i90 coil gear, and GSM can desynth them to get a chance at Demi Materia of Inferno/Crags/Gales. This actually moves just alchemists from being the sole providers of Crag materia. Not that farming the old Exs would be better than farming Titan HM, but it opens up options. Unsure if you could get other forms of demi materia this way or not (such as Mastercraft, Battlecraft etc).

You can also desynth your old Twin weapons as well, but they are i95 and obviously are a little harder to desynth sucessfully. Unsure if Levi weapons are desynthable yet. Happy hunting!

Good info, thank you! Those i90 combat accessories should provide 1-2x BC3s as well as the primal demis. I wonder if Ultima accessories desynth into anything interesting...

Why must the higher level ones be such a pain?... I mean ultimate pain...

This is an awesome resource, just what I was looking for!

I was wondering if any new items gave mastercraft, it seems as though no one has found them yet (if there are any).

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Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni

I was wondering if any new items gave mastercraft, it seems as though no one has found them yet (if there are any).

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Yeah, so far, I'm really disappointed. I suppose that the new artisan/foragers body pieces as well as the new artisan/foragers offhands should all be able to give MCDs, but since the body pieces take MCDs, I wouldn't try that! The artisan/foragers offhands cost 6x Sealant, so I doubt anyone will try desynthing them anytime soon either. I really wish the i70 Ixali smithing gloves were desynthable for MCDs - it would give LTW a way to get MCDs, it would make sense, and it would be balanced since attempting that would be in lieu of attempting to get Sealant.

Ah well... here's hoping that the tier2 tokens CAN give MCDs, but people who have desynthed them have just been unlucky so far.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

anyone got any hints on levelling up ALC? i just reached 70 and got into the "i70 or primal" level.. i70 is meh and primal farming is meh lol.. is that all there is?

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Depends on your server of course but, suspended trillium flowers are cheap to make and yield FC3. Also, mossy weapon parts should be fairly cheap too. The weapon parts and reagents category of the MB is your BFF for this. Growth formula delta concentrate, enchanted rose gold ink, cheap minium and lime sulphur is what you want.

You don't have a lot of options but the ones you do have should be fairly cheap. After these things fall off, you have to run some Titan HM. If you have people willing to pass you the weapons that is your best bet.

While it was cheap for me many months back to get FC3 and BC3 from Alchemy, I really don't see too much benefit of having ALC desynth leveled anymore, and I used a beginner book and reset it in favor of GSM.

Hope this helped. GL

Is there a cheaper way other than cashmere for weaver desynth around level 90?

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Originally Posted by Shyluv

Is there a cheaper way other than cashmere for weaver desynth around level 90?

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Run the new dungeons and use the tokens there to get Myth gear that can be desynthed by a weaver. Or, run coil turns 1-5 (except 3) for equipment that can be desynthed by a weaver. I recommend T4 as as SCH, WHM, BLM, or SMN, as they can Need on two WVR-desynthable pieces each.

Those are the cheapest ways, if slow.

Allagan WVR desythesis gear has a chance of giving Arachne Velveteen which is extremely useful for lessening the amount of mats required for 4 star i110 gears. Not sure if this was mentioned yet already.

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Originally Posted by Songi

Allagan WVR desythesis gear has a chance of giving Arachne Velveteen which is extremely useful for lessening the amount of mats required for 4 star i110 gears. Not sure if this was mentioned yet already.

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Oh! I heard it gave silk, not velveteen! Can it also give the silk?

There is a chance for either, though from my experience you're much more likely to get silk than velveteen.

Good info, thanks guys!

I ended up with 5 silk and a velveteen from desynthing a handful of random Allagan I had in storage. Wouldn't call it a proper ratio but just a frame of reference.

Just to note, you can desynth il110 crafted items. You have 30% chance at 100 skill and 57.5% with penta-meld and bacon broth. So far from 6 successful attempts, I have had 0 demi of any kind. I generally do platinum circlets since they are essentially free to make using sol. Not sure if this will help anyone skill up, but I will update if/when I get any demi from them.

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Originally Posted by Rath

Just to note, you can desynth il110 crafted items. You have 30% chance at 100 skill and 57.5% with penta-meld and bacon broth. So far from 6 successful attempts, I have had 0 demi of any kind. I generally do platinum circlets since they are essentially free to make using sol. Not sure if this will help anyone skill up, but I will update if/when I get any demi from them.

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I really don't think that you'll get anything more valuable than what you put in from these... Maybe you'll get some BC3s, but I would be incredibly surprised if they gave MCDs, which is what I think you're going for here. So far, only crafter equipment i70+ has given MCDs, and the only new crafter equipment that high is either non-desynthable (Ironworks Rod) or costs 6x Ehctal Sealants to make x_x

Not sure if anyone has posted this, didn't catch mention of it in the last few pages, but I desynthed my Allagan gloves of casting and got 4x Allagan silk so LTW desynth is potentially useful even for Weavers.

Demimateria being required for so much crafter progression stuff is the absolute worst thing and probably one of the few things i despise in this game, please don't do this anymore in the expansion SE.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Not sure if anyone has posted this, didn't catch mention of it in the last few pages, but I desynthed my Allagan gloves of casting and got 4x Allagan silk so LTW desynth is potentially useful even for Weavers.

Demimateria being required for so much crafter progression stuff is the absolute worst thing and probably one of the few things i despise in this game, please don't do this anymore in the expansion SE.

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I didn't know that! Thanks! :) Have you gotten Allagan Leather too, or just the silk?

I only had one pair of gloves so unfortunately I can't answer that. I'm going to assume they can produce leather just because they are a leather desynth and them not using leather in their creation would be weird =P

Whats a good skill level to start in on doing Artisan Specs? I have all the mats needed to make ~60 of them (and the skills to turn any nuggets back into more) and wondering if I should wait till my skill level is higher. I'm currently at 74.46 desynth skill.

Not really looking forward to spamming dungeons for the i70 jewelry.

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Originally Posted by Yonko

Whats a good skill level to start in on doing Artisan Specs? I have all the mats needed to make ~60 of them (and the skills to turn any nuggets back into more) and wondering if I should wait till my skill level is higher. I'm currently at 74.46 desynth skill.

Not really looking forward to spamming dungeons for the i70 jewelry.

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Personally, I'd wait until 100 skill where your chances are 100%. When my skill dropped down to 99.99, I failed one out of six desynths and it really pissed me off. Never doing artisan spec desynth again with under 100 skill :P

For you, well, it's up to you. How much do you like gambling? Remember that you only have a ~16.67% chance of getting one MCD every time you successfully desynth. At 100 skill, that's 6 specs for 1 MCD (theoretically). At 74 skill, your chances are only 58%, so that would be about 10.3 specs per MCD. If you're going for 10 MCDs, would you rather craft 103 specs now, or level up your skill and only have to make 60 specs later? If you don't find crafting the prereqs to be onerous, you might as well start now. If you do find it annoying, get your skill up first.

For GSM, have you looked into using the new glasses that take Garlean items? They should be a good starting point for you, if the materials are reasonably priced on your server. You also get FC3s from them, which are never a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Not sure if anyone has posted this, didn't catch mention of it in the last few pages, but I desynthed my Allagan gloves of casting and got 4x Allagan silk so LTW desynth is potentially useful even for Weavers.

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Came here to post similar so I'll just piggyback off this, I desynthed my Allagan Gloves of Maiming (DRG i90, ARM desynth) and received 4 Allagan Leather. A most pleasant surprise because Allagan Wootz Nugs are worth about 2k on my server right now. I blew up my Striking gloves so I couldn't say if they yield the nuggets also or just leather, but now that I know this I would love to farm more. Too bad no one wants to run Turn 2. Myself included.

Desynthed Allagan Cane and got hq wootz ingot ez money.

the only problem ill face is am 76 already and is HARD to find a party for hard dungeons ppl are going straight to latest ones

I was wondering, is there any new "shortcuts" to take BSM desynth past militia scythes? I did not stack much primal weapons, and I would hate farming them...

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Originally Posted by Blackroses_SGS

I was wondering, is there any new "shortcuts" to take BSM desynth past militia scythes? I did not stack much primal weapons, and I would hate farming them...

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The fastest way is likely: join a Nexus Light LS, and spam whatever HM primal is giving bonus light at that moment (except Titan, since you can't desynth titan items with BSM). Do them as a class that can roll need on BSM-desynthable gear.

If you really hate spamming HM primals, then your next best bet is to farm T5 if you can do that. If you can't do that either, well, go for summoning bells? BSM isn't cheap at the moment to get past 78 skill. Oh, and you can get to at least 78 skill with i55 equipment.

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Originally Posted by Blackroses_SGS

I was wondering, is there any new "shortcuts" to take BSM desynth past militia scythes? I did not stack much primal weapons, and I would hate farming them...

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Not really a short cut, but you could do Frontlines and buy the Gladiator swords. Two guarranteed meld slots and i70. They can drop BCIIIs, you don't have to roll against anyone and you get a good amount of Soldiery and Poetics from them. I'm probably going to do that to about 85 or 90 and then do Summoning Bells as Nyalia suggested. T5 is a good option too. About half the weapon drops are BSM.

Lokks like a solid plan, thanks a lot Sibyll!

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Not really a short cut, but you could do Frontlines and buy the Gladiator swords. Two guarranteed meld slots and i70. They can drop BCIIIs, you don't have to roll against anyone and you get a good amount of Soldiery and Poetics from them.

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I've been doing this in conjunction with HM primals (Ifrit/Garuda/Moogle) since lvl 75+ and it seems to work ok. I'm at 79 BSM now and the Militia stuff just gives me only 0.02 skill so it's hardly worth it anymore. I'd like to get to 85-ish if possible before starting on bells as they are expensive and have a really low success rate X_X

Just wondering what the average yield is for Artisan's Frypans (or other Artisan's weapons) for Mastercraft materia.

I've been pounding tomato sauce for Artisan's spectacles, but the Mastercraft yield is pretty low. I know you can get up to 3 mastercraft from the frypan, but how oten do the mastercraft fall?

I've got a reliable macro that gives me about 80-90% HQ sauce from NQ tomatoes, so my average cost is about 3k per sauce. That's ~35k per spectacle, ~175k per Frypan (factoring in NQ).

Wondering if it's worth it to level up armorer? Would I get a better overall Mastercraft materia yield from Frypans than from spectacles?

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I've been doing this in conjunction with HM primals (Ifrit/Garuda/Moogle) since lvl 75+ and it seems to work ok. I'm at 79 BSM now and the Militia stuff just gives me only 0.02 skill so it's hardly worth it anymore. I'd like to get to 85-ish if possible before starting on bells as they are expensive and have a really low success rate X_X

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I think I'm 76 and the PvP i70 Gladiator Weapons are giving me 0.25-0.35 per desynth. I'd be 80 by now if it weren't for the fact that 75% means 3 out of 12 using SE math.

Fair enough, i,ll probably end up doing both, since I also am on nexus stage. Thanks! I am sitting on enough Artisan weapons that I can't pass BSM desynth if I want to finish Supra tools, and consider Artisan legs/feets.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

I'd be 80 by now if it weren't for the fact that 75% means 3 out of 12 using SE math.

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I feel your pain /comfort

God, sometimes I could just smash my Gamepad into the TV. :mad: Sat there for an entire day and crafted 200 items in HQ to get 20 iLevel 70 hats. Thousand of shards lost and a good portion of Gil and lots of Harvesting on my own for the materials included as well. I destroyed SIX out of the 20 hats with a 95% Chance to succeed and from the 14 I could desynth, I got ONE Field III Demimateria. Not a single Master Demimateria. Screw the RNG! Others may get 6 Master Demimateria out of 20, I know but depending on RNGesus really sucks when it is about so time consumptive items like the ones you need for the Master Demis.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

God, sometimes I could just smash my Gamepad into the TV. :mad: Sat there for an entire day and crafted 200 items in HQ to get 20 iLevel 70 hats. Thousand of shards lost and a good portion of Gil and lots of Harvesting on my own for the materials included as well. I destroyed SIX out of the 20 hats with a 95% Chance to succeed and from the 14 I could desynth, I got ONE Field III Demimateria. Not a single Master Demimateria. Screw the RNG! Others may get 6 Master Demimateria out of 20, I know but depending on RNGesus really sucks when it is about so time consumptive items like the ones you need for the Master Demis.

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This is exactly why I opted for getting gsm to 100 to be 100% sure to never break any Artisan spectacles. The cost/time needed to make one pair is too high imo to risk a fail. As for the RNG I've gone 0/27 on MC + 1/27 FC3 to 5/9 MC + 3/9 FC3. Just pure shitty luck <.<

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

NOTE: This guide is still not updated for 2.4. There's too much we just don't know yet, so I'm waiting before overhauling it. Here are a few things I've discovered or heard:[list][*]WVR and LTW can now be easily leveled from ~60 to ~80 by purchasing Bridesmaid's and Best Man's items from a vendor in Ul'dah (just across from the aetheryte). They are i70 and cost 6k for the LTW and 12k for the WVR. This is also the new best way in the game to get FCIIIs. The LTW items can give Hard Hippogryph Leather and the WVR items can give Vanya Silk, making those both really easy to get cheaply now.

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My LTW has a desynth skill of around 72 and cannot desynth this gear with any sort of viable percentage. How is it feasible to level from 60-80? Is this assuming that you are going to fail a significant number of times but the overall gain is worth it?

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Originally Posted by Jx00x

My LTW has a desynth skill of around 72 and cannot desynth this gear with any sort of viable percentage. How is it feasible to level from 60-80? Is this assuming that you are going to fail a significant number of times but the overall gain is worth it?

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I believe it's because of how cheap/convenient it is to buy something from an NPC and desynth it for skill and as a bonus... the chance at some expensive FC3 which SHOULD offset your cost a bit :)