Dark Knight

My view of a Dark Knight w/ Great Sword but i don't think SE is ready for something like this...
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make the blue fire into blood and u got it.

All that I ask if they were to give us Dark Knight is please please no two handed sword it looked ugly in 11 and itll probably look ugly here, and lol I haha I see what you did there Warrlordd very clever signature lol.

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Originally Posted by yondaimeflash

All that I ask if they were to give us Dark Knight is please please no two handed sword it looked ugly in 11 and itll probably look ugly here, and lol I haha I see what you did there Warrlordd very clever signature lol.

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...didn't Dark Knight use Scythe in XI?

Ericyu's rendition does look pretty cool. But holding greatsword with one hand..o_O

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Originally Posted by Exstal

...didn't Dark Knight use Scythe in XI?

Ericyu's rendition does look pretty cool. But holding greatsword with one hand..o_O

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DRK used both. Depending on the year one was better then the other.

Great Sword would be my preference for 14.

Well, just a thought. We are on page 25 now and this thread has not been bumped to tank or general thread. So I think this might make it safe to say that the DRK is going to be DPS. Yay!

I think SE won't say anything unless they are committed to releasing Dark Knight soon.

I main BLM, but DRK has always been my second favorite job in XI. I've been so excited for it I can barely contain myself and that pic ^ made me SQUEE.


But I figure that they'll make DRK a DPS. I just don't see it being a tnk and I honestly don't want it to be a tnk haha. But I'm ready to Drain some bitches and use a cool scythe.

But I'm open to whatever as long as I get DRK.

I figure they'll make SAM a tnk job.

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Originally Posted by yondaimeflash

All that I ask if they were to give us Dark Knight is please please no two handed sword it looked ugly in 11 and itll probably look ugly here, and lol I haha I see what you did there Warrlordd very clever signature lol.

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I think whether it looked ugly depended on which race you were tbh. Some races looked good with certain stances and weapons and some didn't (Elvaan SMN animation gyah!).

I'd rather they went Great Sword, because a Scythe isn't a weapon, it's a farming tool.

honestly I liked the Scythe as a weapon, it makes the dark knight look more badass, like a grim reaper. Im curious as how they will make DRK different than a dragoon class. Both are melee and burst dps. Would be a neat idea if the DRK created an aura buff for the entire party based on what stat the DRK absorbed from the mob. ex, Absorb Str, would provide the party with a STR buff, only 1 type of attribute can be absorbed at a given time, this creates interesting gameplay, depending on your party make up. Of course they will still retain their soul eater ability as a CD for high dmg burst, and Drain for life steal.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

honestly I liked the Scythe as a weapon, it makes the dark knight look more badass, like a grim reaper. Im curious as how they will make DRK different than a dragoon class. Both are melee and burst dps. Would be a neat idea if the DRK created an aura buff for the entire party based on what stat the DRK absorbed from the mob. ex, Absorb Str, would provide the party with a STR buff, only 1 type of attribute can be absorbed at a given time, this creates interesting gameplay, depending on your party make up. Of course they will still retain their soul eater ability as a CD for high dmg burst, and Drain for life steal.

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I think Dark Knight could also play as a melee counterpart to Bard as DPS/support. Rather than group buffs, though, it would focus on enemy debuffs.

The could also have an ability that converts health to TP.... or a trait that allows you to use health in place of TP when TP hits 0.

Whichever weapon they decide to go with, I hope to god they make the scythe or greatsword massive and oversized on the lalafell. Did anybody see the greatsword models and animations on the guild wars 2 asurans? They look amazing compared to the pathetic little toothpicks that the Tarus wielded in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

I think whether it looked ugly depended on which race you were tbh. Some races looked good with certain stances and weapons and some didn't (Elvaan SMN animation gyah!).

I'd rather they went Great Sword, because a Scythe isn't a weapon, it's a farming tool.

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In 11 I saw many different races as a two handed sword DrK and none of them looked right not even the elvaan, and yes the sythe can be a weapon used in a fight other than be a farming tool.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

honestly I liked the Scythe as a weapon, it makes the dark knight look more badass, like a grim reaper.

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Probably the 20,000th time it's been said in this thread, but the grim reaper does not fight with the scythe. He reaps (read: harvests) the souls of the passed so they can forge on to the afterlife, a role referred to as a psychopomp. The grim reaper is a farmer, yo.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

Im curious as how they will make DRK different than a dragoon class. Both are melee and burst dps.

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Dark Knight is necessarily burst DPS to begin with as that is the essence of the Darkside ability. HP drain is ultimately essential as well, because it's an absolute nightmare to have an extra job to heal all the time. Both filling the same role honestly doesn't too much matter in the first place. There are only so many ways you can hit an enemy. More important is making the class interesting to play.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

Would be a neat idea if the DRK created an aura buff for the entire party based on what stat the DRK absorbed from the mob.

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Overpowered as all hell. Stat absorption would have be limited to individual.

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Originally Posted by yondaimeflash

and yes the sythe can be a weapon used in a fight other than be a farming tool.

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A scythe is a farming tool, not a weapon. Historical uses of the scythe as an improvised weapon have the blade turned upward into a backward glaive. It's not very effective compared to proper weapon; it's mainly a tool of farmer uprisings, like the long-enduring image of a pitchfork.

:/ i've heard so much of new jobs/classes but there aren't any leaks or anything, no upcoming patch notes, i just want to see proof that there will be Dark knight. there aren't any two handed swords in this game, or duel weilding...Who does that? there just has to be upcoming jobs/classes that have these skills, otherwise everyone will get bored and just put the game down and play something else.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei

i just want to see proof that there will be Dark knight.

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There is none. No new jobs have been confirmed. People just like to talk about what they want to see. Yoshi has used Dark Knight as an example when talking about a possible second job for Gladiator, but that does not mean Dark Knight will be the second job for Gladiator or even that we'll see Dark Knight at all.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei

there aren't any two handed swords in this game, or duel weilding...Who does that?

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It's dual, not duel. Each class has its own weapon set, so any new class would need a new weapon set. Additionally, the pugilist weapons are dual-wielded, and any future dual-wield weapons will likely be done the same way.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei

there just has to be upcoming jobs/classes that have these skills, otherwise everyone will get bored and just put the game down and play something else.

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If people are quitting because of a lack of dual-wielding, I don't mind.

loved my DRK in FFXI!! Miss it sooo much!
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I like the fact that Dark Knight is coming, but I hope it isn't another DPS class.

Just another thing to make DPS queue times longer.

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Originally Posted by Stryker-7-

loved my DRK in FFXI!! Miss it sooo much!
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A farmer who donned plate armour, everyone!

Can't wait. BLM with a Scyth = Dark Knight. Get a good combination of ranged and melee skills with some cool "Convert Damage taken to MP" and you got a nice little Mage Tank

I may be crazy for saying this but I would like DRK to use a gunblade. Possibly even a class or job you get from the Garleans. I feel like that could be really cool as the gunblades we see in the game are almost greatsword length. It would make it suitably different to me.

you are thinking of another class entirely.

i call shennanigans.

I hope DRK is a tank, personally, just because we need new tank classes to balance out the queue.

Everyone asking drk for being a tank needs to stop. It's a dpS. Last resort and soul eater = glass tank, no Ty. Ff lore still have like 2 tanks, Viking and I think berserker. Wish for those.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Everyone asking drk for being a tank needs to stop. It's a dpS. Last resort and soul eater = glass tank, no Ty. Ff lore still have like 2 tanks, Viking and I think berserker. Wish for those.

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Thank god for reason!

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

There is none. No new jobs have been confirmed. People just like to talk about what they want to see. Yoshi has used Dark Knight as an example when talking about a possible second job for Gladiator, but that does not mean Dark Knight will be the second job for Gladiator or even that we'll see Dark Knight at all.

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Just an FYI, if it IS the 2nd job for gladiator, then there is no chance for it being a tank IMHO, they would run on the same stat; not that was even much of a chance the DRK would be a tank as it is anyway.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

A farmer who donned plate armour, everyone!

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Oh go hide under a bridge and scare some goats. :P

You know, if DRK was going to be a tank, or even a question that it was not going to be a DPS, you would think they would move this thread to the general discussion forum a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Everyone asking drk for being a tank needs to stop. It's a dpS. Last resort and soul eater = glass tank, no Ty. Ff lore still have like 2 tanks, Viking and I think berserker. Wish for those.

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This is pure conjecture and biased. You listed 2 abilities that enhance your point and forgot about high base defenses life drains and the potential to use shields. Also scythe is still stupid.

This isn't reason. A reasonable person would be able to see the benefits to having DRK as a tank as well as a dps.

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Originally Posted by Ragnirok

This is pure conjecture and biased. You listed 2 abilities that enhance your point and forgot about high base defenses life drains and the potential to use shields. Also scythe is still stupid.

This isn't reason. A reasonable person would be able to see the benefits to having DRK as a tank as well as a dps.

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Never mind those two abilities being the classes most defining ability of the class in almost all of its incarnations. As to the wielding a shield, that varries and sometimes while it can it doesn't do it as well as others in the game.

Hello everyone! i couldn't read all the replies, but from what i saw, each of you got perfect point. Somehow Dark Knight meant to be DPS Class or Job, because Dark knight in history is strong person, First thing you throught when you see Dark knight " Omg... He's gonna Kill us all with one hit". even in movie, shows, games, etc...

I don't see that people, when they see a dark knight they go like " he got a heavy armor or aginatic shield." they always see that dark knight as Strong knight and fast ( sometimes ) .

The problem here is that they cannot keep adding DPS classes and leave out tanks, otherwise you're never going to find a tank in DF, so before they start plaguing the game with dps they should at least add 1 tank and 1 healer.
Or just make the DRK a tank :D

To the OP. I noticed in the FF2 weapon skill listing DRKs have a higher proficiency with axes than swords. Maybe they could branch DRK off of MRD if this is the case? MRDs have threat building abilities however so this probably won't work out in the long run... What then would you say the class version of DRK would be? I think having a new class that is efficient with two-handed swords would be pretty cool. Maybe a "Berzerker" type class or something? When people speak of adding in new "jobs" those said jobs would have to be branched off of a base class or a new class would have to be implemented in order to make the system work correctly. I'm just curious to hear what your ideas are for DRK. As to your original posting's cotext. DRKs should never be tanks IMO. The heavy armor should just be a means to keep them from dieing if they pull aggro after sacrificing their HPs in order to deal devastating blows to opponents. Of course there will still be DRKs who will try to dawn tanking armor and try to tank...

I would like to see DKs as melee debuffers in Lancer/DRG weight armor, with acceptable DPS that can spike with HP sacrifice-based moves. Probably deal less damage than monk, but have skills or spells that would make enemies easier to take down. On parties where the debuffs won't be as useful, the could focus on the spike damage while they have healers to fuel their skills to keep them on an even keel with other DPS.

I like the idea of hp loss to fuel a skill because it has a risk component that will keep you from spamming those skills. I would also see where a WHM or SCH would go utterly crazy and hate DKs in teams, however, so maybe it could have its own HP restoration skill to keep the edge off the healers, if it can be done in a balanced way.

I would imagine a LOT of GCD skills involving the weapon with instants being hp fueled.

That's just me, though.

It could be a job for Gladiator/Thaumaturge.

Level 30 job skill could be a stance that converts enmity generating skills into skills that create stacks of 'soul' (name could use work) that do damage over time to you but increase your attack power. Dropping the stance would drop all your stacks. The rest of the job skills could do interesting things with utilizing them, consuming them for big spike damage or self heal etc.
I'd also give the job a combo ability off of Riot blade that does decent damage but without the additional enmity of Halone so that they can keep up there attacks without creating more stacks. It'd be a balancing act to play, and very hard for the devs to balance but I think it could be a lot of fun.

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Originally Posted by Thyrel

The problem here is that they cannot keep adding DPS classes and leave out tanks, otherwise you're never going to find a tank in DF, so before they start plaguing the game with dps they should at least add 1 tank and 1 healer.
Or just make the DRK a tank :D

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I totally think we need 2 new tanks and healers for each DPS added for a bit. I am leveling DPS and I see the problem. However, if you actually read the OP, this class has almost entirely been a DPS class when playable as the main PC. In one instance they were a Tank in X-2. They could make it a tank, I am not deluded enough to say its impossible, but it would be another odd-ball in its history. So we are left with what is needed, and what people who are actually FANS of the class want it to be. I honestly don't think people echoing the want and need for it to be a tank are actual fans of the class (which I could be wrong but confident in my opinion). Personally, I bought War of the Lions JUST because I got the play as a DRK in the game. In the end, I see the need personally, but as fan I hope not to end up with another summoner, a class shoe-horned to fix a need or role, rather than what it was supposed to be.
So I think people will have to look else where.

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Originally Posted by Euphe

To the OP. I noticed in the FF2 weapon skill listing DRKs have a higher proficiency with axes than swords. Maybe they could branch DRK off of MRD if this is the case? MRDs have threat building abilities however so this probably won't work out in the long run... What then would you say the class version of DRK would be? I think having a new class that is efficient with two-handed swords would be pretty cool. Maybe a "Berzerker" type class or something? When people speak of adding in new "jobs" those said jobs would have to be branched off of a base class or a new class would have to be implemented in order to make the system work correctly. I'm just curious to hear what your ideas are for DRK. As to your original posting's cotext. DRKs should never be tanks IMO. The heavy armor should just be a means to keep them from dieing if they pull aggro after sacrificing their HPs in order to deal devastating blows to opponents. Of course there will still be DRKs who will try to dawn tanking armor and try to tank...

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As it has been stated with the FF-IV fans, that these things of can be modified by a stance upping damage and removing enmity. Honestly I think all jobs will follow in the path that Scholar has, giving a different role to a class, so they will find a way. I hope it is Gladiator or some new class will be the base for dark knight, some how, because it would be cool to have a dark tank (My warrior) and a dark DPS to play. I don't think it is going to be Lancer on these same grounds as that would give them 2 DPS jobs that run on the same stat of strength. But the honest candidate I see is the marauder, unless the grant a 3rd cross-class skill option to each jobs.
I came up with the same idea of a two-handed class. As to the berserker, I think that maybe ether a tank or dps. If it is a dps, it will probably be a DPS from the marauder class, however I think that role was sort of taken by the current warrior if you follow the job's storyline.

Coming from FFXI and maining DRK and having gotten all the best gear for it through lvl99 cap, I am also on the side of wanting it to be a DD class. I know I am probably biased, but as the OP has listed, DRK has been a DD class in most iterations of its incarnation.

Yes they sometimes wear heavy armor, but that doesn't mean they are meant to tank. FFXI is a great example of that. DRK wore heavy armor and still was very squishy, but a MNK in light armor was able to take hits far better than a DRK could(until Apocalypse then DRK/SAM was both tank and DD haha).

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Originally Posted by Thyrel

The problem here is that they cannot keep adding DPS classes and leave out tanks, otherwise you're never going to find a tank in DF, so before they start plaguing the game with dps they should at least add 1 tank and 1 healer.
Or just make the DRK a tank :D

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Just a thought, it's not really about the ratio of tank jobs vs DPS jobs, but rather the ratio of players wanting to play tanks vs the players wanting to play DPS. Even if there's only say 2 DPS in the game, if I don't want to play tank, I'd pick one of the 2 DPS anyway. In essence, a DPS player will just choose the DPS that suits him/her the most out of the number of possible choices, be it 2, 3, or 100.

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Originally Posted by chococo

Just a thought, it's not really about the ratio of tank jobs vs DPS jobs, but rather the ratio of players wanting to play tanks vs the players wanting to play DPS. Even if there's only say 2 DPS in the game, if I don't want to play tank, I'd pick one of the 2 DPS anyway. In essence, a DPS player will just choose the DPS that suits him/her the most out of the number of possible choices, be it 2, 3, or 100.

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You are correct, however the idea is to throw enough options out there so that it might draw more people in due to their themes. You have the Japanese tank: Sam, Dark tank: Warrior, Light Tank: Paladain, Magic Tank: ???, Dodge Tank: ???, etc...

Also another thing that might be a problem is ratio of classes. Perhaps having only 2 tanks and 4 damage dealers is a tad off. Too many people leveling their DPS classes and not enough leveling tanks.

With a need for tanks, having more options will help, but it should be class concepts that work as such and work how people expect them to, especially to keep things like the current summoner from happening again.