"Fix" Speed Runs? How about fixing the real issue?

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

How about fixing the REAL issue:

We, the "ELITE SLS*" (*Special Little Snowflakes) want the ultimate endgame gear RIGHT NOW with LITTLE OR NO EFFORT INVOLVED -- also we don't want EVERYONE to have it, that would make us less special.

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The real issue is people who think left and right are the same direction, and that blue and white are the same color, pop in your group for a 50min none speed run DF and make you regret you logged in this morning. And making it seem that the 30min penalty is a better alternative to commuting /wrists.

I agree that rewards are misbalanced. You spend hours on a dungeon and quite often get nothing to cover the cost of repairs, or you join a FATE and kill 20 monsters at your level but only get 1 gil and no experience. Makes FATES and Dungeons not worth doing.

Also, getting to the boss is often not the reason for a speed run. Used to do speed runs for players doing quests and crafters needing items. And, of course, the achievement. But once you have completed a dungeon the only reason to go back is for crafting items.

I would be fine with it if they didn't add more mobs. If they kept it at the original amount I feel like people would be taking it a lot better. But increasing the number of mobs and removing the speed run ability seems excessive.

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Originally Posted by Shigaru

When trash mobs start dropping items that you can share with guildies or sell to crafters, remember to come back here and thank the 'whiners'. Speed running was never the problem, it was a symptom of the awful trash and durability system. Treating the symptom does nothing to help in the long run.

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So what else should SE hand you? A lv 50 character? Hell, let's let each group of mobs drop tomes.

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Originally Posted by Esk

I actually think there are a lot of options for better dungeons (and reasons to go into them and keep some trash around too).
Lots of awesome stuff

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I agree, I wish dungeons were unique and fun like FFXI dungeons and not generic trash - > boss - > loot. Kind of sad they went that direction.

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Originally Posted by teh_nam3less

So what else should SE hand you? A lv 50 character? Hell, let's let each group of mobs drop tomes.

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Why not?

If they reduce the amount the boss drops so the dungeon isnt producing more than expected (and make sure tomes are only rewarded on win)- would promote people to kill all the trash packs they could find (even ones that don't lead to the boss)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Why not?

If they reduce the amount the boss drops so the dungeon isnt producing more than expected (and make sure tomes are only rewarded on win)- would promote people to kill all the trash packs they could find (even ones that don't lead to the boss)

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Looking back at it...I am a genius.

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Originally Posted by Noata

They reduced repair costs. so go kill trash mobs. I do not get at all where your coming from

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Yep... that was definitely the reason people were skipping trash... repair costs. Now that they lowered repair cost, no one will EVER skip the trash in Amdapor Keep again. *Sarcasm off*

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

I agree, I wish dungeons were unique and fun like FFXI dungeons and not generic trash - > boss - > loot. Kind of sad they went that direction.

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Likewise. That's kind of what's holding my friends and I from really enjoying the endgame content at this point. We wish the loot system was a little more rewarding for all players as opposed to only rewarding one to three people each run. For Ifrit runs or whatever primal hard bosses, for example, we're still hoping they'd at least add one more loot box to make two treasure coffers available at the end of run. Makes it more worthwhile for every players time.

There's already Trash loot, it's called the coffers that give you allagan pieces and Aetherial loot.