Is there a point in replying? Pretty much 5 pages of this thread are a bunch of people arguing with a troll, one guy told others to stop feeding it and he got shot down. I even replied to what was said before and I believe it covers a lot of what said afterwards but it seems no one even read it.
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04-18-2011, 08:32 PMMajidah
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04-18-2011, 09:19 PMMackThis wasn't the point because this would be the same if it was done in a manner similar to skillchains, it would just be more DPS because you're not waiting for everyone to cue up.Quote:
I take it you haven't looked at the debuffs granted via BR, nor the increased damage output from a stack of 3+.
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04-18-2011, 10:03 PMReika
How about people waiting for others to perform the right skill so they can preform theirs? it is still waiting dude. And unless they sped it up since the last time I played, it was too slow and put me to sleep.
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04-18-2011, 10:10 PMImpulseIt's part of the point s/he was attempting to make. They said BRs lower DPS which is entirely false. I don't see how you could have distorted that into something skillchainish since this is how it is now. The only way you would be losing DPS and sitting in queue via regimen would be if your party sucks and doesn't know how to pull off a BR properly and efficiently. You shouldn't be in queue for more than 2 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mack
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/113092734-4.jpg
The BR executed before that screenshot was taken took Downy Dunstan down from near full to dead in less than 3 seconds, where whacking it without BR would've taken at least a minute or two.
How you get "more DPS" without BR is beyond me. Sure, it'll seem that way if your group is slow to stack and execute the regime but the fact of the matter is that it does *not* lower DPS and only increases it, both immediately and over time via the debuffs granted. -
04-18-2011, 11:49 PMSpeeralya but Kilta the the game isn't 111111111111111111111, you'd have to be useless just pressing 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
That was before they changed sp. now if you are smart and maximize yourself ur flipping between skill and skill sets to maximize dmg, tp building, buffing, and minding your stamina.
Before you can make an argument about the functions of the game take time to research them so you know what you're talking about. You have zero credibility sorry. -
04-18-2011, 11:51 PMSpeeral
well maximum 5 second . .
profundity II increased cast times for mages, if chainspell is down. -
04-19-2011, 02:57 AMKaiKatzchenI’ll agree with you on that. No offence to said poster, but they don’t play FFXIV and only tend to use mechanics from other games (one in particular) to try and make solid points about this game... and this game is not other games. It may have things in it that feel like other games, but it is its own beast. I’ve just been ignoring it because it’s a senseless battle arguing with someone who has stated in may post that they don’t believe anything they say is wrong (according to their posts), will always say its other people being too critical on them (according to their posts), and who can’t even give a solid argument without using another game as a basis because they don’t play this one. People can have fun banging their heads against a brick wall; I’ll opt out of that fun and keep my opinion to their comments to myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majidah
BUT GETTING BACK ON TOPIC!
As to what you said:
In all honesty I played FFXI for about 6 years and I feel (and of course this is simply my opinion) that auto attack plays the game for you much more than BR’s do, and I feel like BR’s require as much if not MORE involvement that WS’s in FFXI. When I played FFXI, and I am a classic multi-tasker, I could listen to music, talk to people and have the TV on in the background watching whatever while playing. Every once in a while I might have to pay attention just to make sure I got my WS off in time to make a SC and that was the only thing timing was good for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majidah
As I said in my last post, BR is ALL about timing. First you have to time to make sure that you get the Light/Heavy off within a specific amount of time, if you do not you make the group wait in queue. Once you get that off then you have to get off the WS within a specific amount of time, if you’re too late it doesn’t help or you have to let either the BR or the WS go because you won’t get anything out of it.
In all the multi-layers of the BR system that you have to have good timing on vs. FFXI where you pretty much just had to pay attention to make sure WS’s went off in the right order. I do not think that BR’s play the system for you because the whole effectiveness of the BR is totally dependent on the players using it within the allotted time and correct order. Since it is totally based off the payers doing this correctly, then it cannot be based off the system playing it for you. I know for a fact I don’t press ‘1 1 1 1 1’ over and over while doing a BR, I actually have to hit a few different buttons from the beginning of the BR to the end of the BR and I actually use a combination of controller and keyboard to make this work.
All in all I understand your point of view, and as stated before, I am unsure if you’ve had a party that knew how to use BR’s in a fast and effective way. I love them, I feel they bring a lot to the table and that they should stay… while I appreciate your opinion, I don’t agree with it.
To be honest it’s hard to compare the two and say one is better than another because they are different systems. I’m not saying I don’t like auto attack, I just don’t agree that BR’s are useless. Anyway… anything over time, if you do it enough, will become instinct and in that situation become easy for the players to do and they won’t have to pay as much attention. -
04-19-2011, 03:58 AMArcell
I know it's been said before but the people who generally do not like BR are the ones who have never used it effectively. It adds a layer of depth and coordination to a fight that doesn't exist otherwise. The people participating in the BR have to know what they're doing and have to be quick about it. You shouldn't be stuck queued up for a BR for longer than 5 seconds, otherwise your group is taking too long. The debuffs it puts on a monster are incredibly useful, especially in regards to magic. Seeing a mage consistently do 1k+ damage with a single spell is great and seeing a hit for 3k+ is amazing. You can't get that kind of damage outside of properly using BR.
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04-19-2011, 04:48 AMMajidahBRs do lower DPS. Then make it up with extra damage. But does it lower DPS by freezing everyone in a limbo? Yes it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impulse
Think about it this way:
Lets say 5 players are doing a BR. The first one starts it, then four more stack up. From the first one triggering it, to the fifth one, each player is wasting stamina they could be using to attack.
On the other hand, if there was no queue menu and it was done like skillchains were done, people would still be able to whack the enemy in the meantime. Thats 4 players actively attacking.
You might be great at coordinating with your friends and unleashing BRs, but you can't deny there's a limbo. And that you could be doing something else in the meantime. Like casting a cure or triggering a provoke, or even increasing the DPS with a normal attack.
Not to mention that putting everything in an automatic menu takes away the fun/challenge entirely from the battle. You plan how it goes once. That's about it for BRs. -
04-19-2011, 05:18 AMAshelyRiotPlain and simple STFU damn near 2k posts and haven't even touched the game. So tired of seeing your crap posts and you don't know S***Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus