Want your White Ravens Before 1.0 Ends?

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Originally Posted by Neasa

People can buy just as useful, or BETTER earrings for far less gil.

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better? only in a couple situations. just as useful? list another earring with regen or refresh, much less one with regen/refresh +accuracy and magic accuracy.

if you care about tackling difficult content, i'll repeat myself: these earrings are pretty much best in slot for nearly all jobs *at once* in nearly all meaningful situations. all in one earring.

if you don't agree, that's fine. that's your opinion. but it's far from objective reality, and not many people doing the hardest content in the game will agree.

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Originally Posted by fusional

better? only in a couple situations. just as useful? list another earring with regen or refresh, much less one with regen/refresh +accuracy and magic accuracy.

if you care about tackling difficult content, i'll repeat myself: these earrings are pretty much best in slot for nearly all jobs *at once* in nearly all meaningful situations. all in one earring.

if you don't agree, that's fine. that's your opinion. but it's far from objective reality, and not many people doing the hardest content in the game will agree.

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I'm not sure how anyone could look at these earrings and NOT see that they're best in slot for pretty much every job.

That said, that fact also kind of speaks to the weakness of the earrings in this game. Most earrings are pretty useless, really, and the rare ones that are decent have prices in line with their rare decent-ness. I'd love to see a lot more ear options in ARR.

+1 refresh or regen is barely noticeable... Just as -3 on weapons is barely noticeable.
+3 accuracy? I'll take +2 with -20 emnity for a fraction of the price if I feel like pissing money away.
+3 m.acc? Not worth the asinine amount of gil, considering the other things a mage can equip.

E-peen, and nothing more. I couldn't really care less if you take advantage of stupid people, as they probably deserve it.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Anything to do with Money is against TOS of course you could pay ingame money for items in game without issue. But anything to do with real life money to buy ingame goods are against TOS. But like you said if you get caught then they could ban you.

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As I stated, you are not paying for an in-game item, you are paying people to clear a quest for you. Using BG as an example:: BG never own's the White Ravens, therefor they cannot sell it to you. You are paying BG to help you complete the quest, The Raven, Nevermore.

snipsnip - anyways cut out the rest of this post as its pointlesssss cuz of the edit below::

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Checked EULA

2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any ... in-game services, ...

So yes, it is against the ToS because its an in-game service they are providing (clearing the quest)

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

that fact also kind of speaks to the weakness of the earrings in this game. Most earrings are pretty useless, really, and the rare ones that are decent have prices in line with their rare decent-ness. I'd love to see a lot more ear options in ARR.

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definitely true. the earrings by themselves are far from impressive, but their stats in comparison to other earrings in addition to their combined functionality just puts them way over the top, as they don't really have much strong competition.

on one hand, that means the ear slot is just super weak in general. absolutely. on the other, i think it justifies that they'd be a reward from the best-designed fight in the game.

i'm sure we'll get some interesting new options in ARR, even if they're not across-the-board upgrades.

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Originally Posted by Neasa

+1 refresh or regen is barely noticeable... Just as -3 on weapons is barely noticeable.
+3 accuracy? I'll take +2 with -20 emnity for a fraction of the price if I feel like pissing money away.
+3 m.acc? Not worth the asinine amount of gil, considering the other things a mage can equip.

E-peen, and nothing more. I couldn't really care less if you take advantage of stupid people, as they probably deserve it.

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+1 refresh by itself isn't noticeable, but combined with other refresh items, stacked on top of ballad- that can be the difference in an extra spell or two. if that doesn't mean anything to you, fine. for people who want to do optimal dps, it's clutch.

+1 regen by itself isn't noticeable, but combined with other regen items, stacked on top of a capped regen spell... etc etc. same concept.

then there's Rivenroad (hard)- the fight you get these from. you need about 450 melee accuracy to get as close to 100% accuracy as possible without effectively wasting extra slots on whatever could boost your damage ceiling.

if i use militia earrings, i'm at 449. if i use white ravens, i'm at 450 exactly. by using ravens, i can use a ring slot for another str or pie ring, rather than wasting it on another acc ring and going quite a way over approximate accuracy cap for the fight. that's wasted dps. and i finish most runs above 80 dps and have clocked in at 85+ on several kills, and the -20 enmity is completely meaningless to me.

in fact, that -20 enmity is virtually useless in all situations except for ifrit extreme, where it allows me to jump or disembowel to keep up power surge immediately after he lands from dashes, and generally never pull hate. so sure, in that situation the -enmity, albeit small, is more helpful.

using sphairai as monk? chances are you're well under 400 accuracy. so how do you min-max back up to 400+ without sacrificing too much potential dps? white ravens are an attractive option, and the refresh actually is significant when you're trying to keep your fists up for as long as possible (ifrit x, rivenroad h)

warrior needs accuracy badly. you attack so slow that every miss just wrecks your dps. the regen on the earring is just a bonus, especially if you're tanking.

paladin needs accuracy badly as well. it also benefits from the regen, and even moreso the refresh. you may get more mileage out of stonewall earrings in shorter fights where you need that burst enmity, but the longer the fight goes the more attractive ravens start to look.

5 healing magic potency really isn't very impressive at all for whm, considering the bulk of your effective healing comes from enhancing magic potency. again, combined with other refresh items- while not necessary, it helps.

5 attack magic potency is fine for blm on fights where mobs have very low magic evasion, but any resists at all completely wreck your dps ceiling. ravens, again, are fantastic option for min-maxing your magic accuracy to allow you to stack as much potency and INT as you can in other precious slots- especially considering that, point for point, int is far more valuable than m.att potency if you're using thundara at all.

i could go on. but the bottom line is that what you see as nothing more than a status item, other players see as a more effective and flexible means to an end in helping to min-max their gear to the limit.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any ... in-game services, ...

So yes, it is against the ToS because its an in-game service they are providing (clearing the quest)

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Thank you. Stupid rule but clarifying post.

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Originally Posted by Neasa

+1 refresh or regen is barely noticeable... Just as -3 on weapons is barely noticeable.
+3 accuracy? I'll take +2 with -20 emnity for a fraction of the price if I feel like pissing money away.
+3 m.acc? Not worth the asinine amount of gil, considering the other things a mage can equip.

E-peen, and nothing more. I couldn't really care less if you take advantage of stupid people, as they probably deserve it.

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I disagree. It's the best earring the game has to offer at the moment.

More than likely though, it will be outclassed by another earring. It will be a while before that happens though, and if the other earrings are any indication, I wouldn't count on something better than White Ravens being easy to obtain. Probably be a year before we see that appear anyway.

When that does happen though, yes, the White Ravens will be converted into an epeen item.

I want them, but my LS has the same views as you do, and are currently too busy trying to conquer Ifrit Extreme for their first Relics.

They're definitely not something I'll lose sleep over if I don't get them. Goobbue is enough proof that I played 1.0.

And I sure as hell wouldn't spend 40+ mil, let alone 15m. I'd be lucky to have 6 mil on hand. I play casually. Grinding out all my jobs never sounded fun to me.

Just find 7 people who want to do it and crack it out if you dont want to spend the gil, its a fun fight (¬_¬).

Been helping out othershells to get their raven wins for the past few days with one group getting their win last night, (although I repped out by the time they got their win after the 2nd out of 4 powercuts of the night, being tank at the time made it an insta wipe when it happened ><).

Stats are nice and the earring looks nice as well (At least on my Mi'qote :3 )

Man even if I had the gil for this I wouldn't pay it. 49 million for a pair of earrings? They're not even worth it in my opinion. They're nice earrings but I think that gil could be spent more wisely elsewhere...

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Were they always 20? I was told they were 15 originally and increased to 20 later. At any rate, the fight is way too easy to be able to charge much more than that.

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Hehe. saying Raven (hard) is easy is so badass. i think its the new trend in Durandal too.

As a smart person once said "A well fed rich man will never understand a starving poor man"

What i mean is you Raikki have MIKU. some people dun even have a regular ls to do Moogle for two days straight.
Those people will not be able to have a commited group to do raven for a few days to get it down and beat it.

It was easy for a guy with resources and a good group of people to do it with, that dosen't mean it is a generally easy battle bud. it aint easy at all. just ask the majority in your server.