The death of savage raiding and SE's lack of action

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Honest opinion, thw game does not teach you well at all when it comes to healing. My crucible of fire was with Gordias and Midas. People also don't understand jow powerful their healing kits are. Especially with the fact that the potencies on the tooltips do not reflect their actual strength.

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Does it teach anyone to be good at their role? I don't think so.

Those that are good become good because they are willing to put in the effort to learn from other sources. For others this is just a game and not worth that effort.

Where the game does a disservice to healers is with ilvl scaling and mitigation abilities. More HP means incoming damage takes a smaller percentage of HP and so lessens potential urgency to heal. Mitigation abilities on top of that means HP is so small the need for healing is infrequent. When the amount is reduced to the point that a player does not need healing at all to survive an encounter, how can a healer learn to heal?

Someone else mentions job design as the problem. The job team could come up with the most amazing job design for a healer that's the envy of all other MMO developers and it will mean nothing if the encounter design team doesn't put that design to good use. If healers feel like they're nothing more than green DPS, it's not the job design at fault. It's the encounter design.

I'm also kinda tired of the gear dump cycle. I want to see them introduce gear that augments abilities, isn't all about ilvl, let's you have interesting build choices, pick gear from all over the place, a sword from here, helmet from another encounter, boots from some random dungeon or trial. Unfortunately, it would take a massive rebuild and change, which isn't going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Does it teach anyone to be good at their role? I don't think so.

Those that are good become good because they are willing to put in the effort to learn from other sources. For others this is just a game and not worth that effort.

Where the game does a disservice to healers is with ilvl scaling and mitigation abilities. More HP means incoming damage takes a smaller percentage of HP and so lessens potential urgency to heal. Mitigation abilities on top of that means HP is so small the need for healing is infrequent. When the amount is reduced to the point that a player does not need healing at all to survive an encounter, how can a healer learn to heal?

Someone else mentions job design as the problem. The job team could come up with the most amazing job design for a healer that's the envy of all other MMO developers and it will mean nothing if the encounter design team doesn't put that design to good use. If healers feel like they're nothing more than green DPS, it's not the job design at fault. It's the encounter design.

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The reverse argument is also true though. The design team can create the best fight for healing possible and it would still be garbage because healers are designed like garbage

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

How strange, I was lead to believe the strike was "negligible" and that we had tons of scab healers spamming "thanks for the fast queues" to make up for it. Clearly the solution is to just stack more WARs for healing instead, or just bring one, I hear they're *wonderful* at soloing these days while everyone watches~

...I feel the need to specify that I'm being sarcastic, and I'm quite aware of the Healer Strike and support it, I just find it funny that the impact is finally being felt after it being dismissed for so long.

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Healer role has the same amount of absense in PF as every expansion around this time in the raid tier since SB. Looking on Friday or Saturday night has always been long fills especially in a tier where a good chunk of the PF base have cleared already.

The only role thats noticeably different this time around are tank roles, which seem harder to fill than normal.

As someone who has been PF raiding on 3 separate characters for 3 diff expansions, there is nothing unique to the Healerstrike that is causing a shortage now. If anything what's causing shortages is that PF is proceeding through the raid tier far faster than previous and so the falloff has been quicker overall as players either leave the raiding scene or clear earlier in the week.

To say otherwise is simply to try and provide credibility to a failed movement. More people cleared this tier than any other in the last few expansions, so clearly there were healers to accomodate those parties. Alot more.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Yeah it was pretty good for Bards back in Heavensward/Stormblood. Although, current Bard’s resources are still tied to Empyreal Arrow and plain rng, so generation wouldn’t be affected by Haste (because Empyreal isn’t on the gcd). Dancer’s is generated per weapon skill use though so it’d work much better for them. Empyreal Arrow was a weaponskill at one point I think, one of the weird ‘weaponskill on the gcd but with its own cool-down’, but I think that was before Repetoire existed anyway; I don’t remember if the weaponskill version made it to Stormblood ( I think it was only a weaponskill in Heavensward so you had to cast it lol)

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Actually, it's because haste doesn't interact with BRD's resource generators that they'll be fine with getting it, it won't cause any drift for BRD and will only be a net gain in chances to proc Refulgent Arrow.

DNC, on the other hand, relies strictly on their GCD along with their partner to generate resources, a hasted GCD in that case may cause resource overcap. Although DNC is less rigid than most of the other jobs, so they can more easily deal with it.

But in the end, jobs that don't heavily rely on GCDs to generate resources or have overly rigid rotations would enjoy having haste. Jobs like BRD, all the healers and even WAR would enjoy having haste, while giving haste to jobs like DRG or GNB is the perfect way to get cursed out.

I do agree that the design needs to change though, if they focus so hard on the design of a short duration multiplicative burst window, then of course only burst jobs can work well. This means jobs can really only follow a builder/spender playstyle, which kills off sustain design like old PLD and really old SMN.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Healer role has the same amount of absense in PF as every expansion around this time in the raid tier since SB. Looking on Friday or Saturday night has always been long fills especially in a tier where a good chunk of the PF base have cleared already.

The only role thats noticeably different this time around are tank roles, which seem harder to fill than normal.

As someone who has been PF raiding on 3 separate characters for 3 diff expansions, there is nothing unique to the Healerstrike that is causing a shortage now. If anything what's causing shortages is that PF is proceeding through the raid tier far faster than previous and so the falloff has been quicker overall as players either leave the raiding scene or clear earlier in the week.

To say otherwise is simply to try and provide credibility to a failed movement. More people cleared this tier than any other in the last few expansions, so clearly there were healers to accomodate those parties. Alot more.

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Acshooly guys you shouldn’t listen to all these various listening posts complaining about this, you should listen to me who has one anecdote to their credit

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Acshooly guys you shouldn’t listen to all these various listening posts complaining about this, you should listen to me who has one anecdote to their credit

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And yet I see no counter argument to the point that far more people have cleared this tier than before, directly meaning more Healers than before.

Unless you mean to insinuate that PF cleared more times without Healers than ever before. Not impossible but its a stupid gamble to put money on plus I've yet to see a party recruiting like that. I can still understand if you want to make yourself feel better that your signature amounted to nothing in the long run. The only people that believe the Healer strike had any measureable affect are the ones who spent more time responding in that thread then clearing the content. PF doesn't care about your online protests.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

And yet I see no counter argument to the point that far more people have cleared this tier than before, directly meaning more Healers than before.

Unless you mean to insinuate that PF cleared more times without Healers than ever before. Not impossible but its a stupid gamble to put money on plus I've yet to see a party recruiting like that. I can still understand if you want to make yourself feel better that your signature amounted to nothing in the long run.

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I just want to point out that even if 100 parties cleared, it doesn't mean that 200 healers cleared. There could also be helpers and people who clear on a different role.

In short, just because more people cleared this tier doesn't mean that there's more healers, you know?

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

And yet I see no counter argument to the point that far more people have cleared this tier than before, directly meaning more Healers than before.

Unless you mean to insinuate that PF cleared more times without Healers than ever before. Not impossible but its a stupid gamble to put money on plus I've yet to see a party recruiting like that. I can still understand if you want to make yourself feel better that your signature amounted to nothing in the long run.

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The current tier being completed by more people exasperates this issue if you stop and think about it for more than 5 seconds and this exasperation is entirely caused by squares incompetent balancing

Let’s use some numbers here

Tier 1)

100,000 healers
150,000 tanks
500,000 DPS

difficulty of tier- hard meaning only 20,000 parties cleared

Number of jobs that cleared

40,000 healers
40,000 tanks
80,000 DPS

Where shortage

Tier 2)

100,000 healers
150,000 tanks
500,000 DPS

Difficulty of tier- easy because square can’t balance pictomancer meaning 60,000 parties had the potential to clear

Number of jobs that cleared

100,000 healers (20,000 shortage)
120,000 tanks
240,000 DPS

Shortage

A tier being easy as hell because square can’t balance PCT reveals a shortage that’s always been there it’s just more noticeable because more people WANT to clear

and think whatever you want about my signature, square is actively losing my money over time because of this fiasco. I’ve cancelled the subscription of my second account which paid the normal subscription cost (my main is legacy) and I’ve stopped my old habit of constantly buying glams off the mogstation when I need more glams. So square has actively lost close to 40 AUD from me a month because of this debacle, so I’d consider that a success on my part, with that I can go buy a nice new speedo to sit on the beach and not play this game

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I just want to point out that even if 100 parties cleared, it doesn't mean that 200 healers cleared. There could also be helpers and people who clear on a different role.

In short, just because more people cleared this tier doesn't mean that there's more healers, you know?

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Ahh so now every healer that cleared are all good samaritans and constantly jumping back into pf to help so many more random people clear. Truly remarkable. Its never happened before with this many people clearing but this time, mid healer strike, they all rose to the occasion. Truly a testament to good virtues.

Y'all make up any excuse to not look bad. It's kinda sad and also hilarious.