Remove Trust System from future Trials

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There is no need to force everyone else to play the way you want them to for your personal benefit that has no consideration for what they want.

If you want to use Duty Finder, then use Duty Finder. I did it that way myself for all the DT trials.

If others want to use Trust, let them use Trust.

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Another one who has missed the point. It has nothing to do with how I want to play, if the narrative build up to a Trial with a Trust systems sucks, it sucks and those NPCs have no reason to be there. The issue is not the actual Trust system itself, as a system it works brilliantly although it is pushing the game more towards solo play which is a shame for an mmo.

Regarding your point though, from a narrative perspective if people did prefer to do a Trust system fight for a trial using the Duty Finder instead when going through the MSQ, then it would be nice if Squeenix added the Azem crystal cutscene to summon our 7 fellow peeps via DF. Would be a nice touch imo.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Yes, for any Trials they implement the Trust system for the NPCs used should be NPCs that are present at that point in the story, the reason they are present being a good one is up to the writers. But having said that, I would still prefer flimsy narrative reasons for present NPCs being involved in the fight over Azem random people pulled from the void.

Given the option of removing Trusts from Trials or leaving them and having SE improve. I would always choose the latter.

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I would like SE to improve too, but there has been a worrying trend of writing since 6.1 and if the narrative quality doesn't improve then I would prefer they scrap the Trust system for Trials moving forwards.

If, however, SE does improve their quality of writing and build up to trials then I have absolutely no problem with the Trust system being there for future trials if the narrative warrants it. Alas though, there does need to be a course correction in this regard.

Anytime I can avoid dealing with some of the idiots out there who insist on ruining my gaming experience (in group content), I will.

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Originally Posted by kcj

Anytime I can avoid dealing with some of the idiots out there who insist on ruining my gaming experience (in group content), I will.

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Fair enough :) I initially misread your point so I apologise for my initial response!

Like I said myself, I do use the Trust system on an initial playthrough whenever it's available. So I have no issue with the actual Trust system itself, I just haven't liked where and how it's been implemented in Dawntrail for its first two trials in detriment to the MSQ.

No. I love the trust system, for healers it helps you learn all of the fights in the story mode so you can do them properly with a group. Story wise sometimes it makes sense sometimes it doesn't but why would you remove something useful just because? Also there is something relaxing about not being expected to be peak the first time you see a fight.

"Trusts totally break my immersion, since characters come out of no where!"

...you mean like the random adventurers we've spent the majority of the game doing trails with? 'cause the Warrior of Light, canonically, only soloed solo instances.

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Originally Posted by MeteorShan

Zoraal Ja is arguably the worst written villain in the entirety of FFXIV, his reasoning for the point where his character gets to as one of main villains is stretching things to the extreme and isn't plausible. But that's a different writing issue and not the point of my OP.

Prior to the trial he literally walks away from group, this is in line with his character so he can get ahead of everyone in an attempt to win the contest. His motivation for wanting to win the rite of succession is to plunge Tural into war so that the population can experience the horrors of it and become stronger as a people after suffering through it. Having Valigarmanda laying carnage across Urqopacha and beyond completely fits this motivation. When he suddenly does a u-turn and reappears, even Sareel Ja is shaking his head in disbelief at what he's doing.

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I'll give you the 99 trial which did seem more forced but Zoraal Ja joining did make sense in the 93 trial. He wanted to prove himself, as another poster outlined. And having Valigarmanda lay carnage wouldn't fit with his ideals because he wanted people to stop fighting by experiencing the reality of war, not just suffering in general.

It's true the plot has to constantly contrive itself around everyone showing up just before a trial, but it doesn't mean they need to remove the trust system entirely. They can use generic NPCs for the trials like they added for ARR dungeons and just use the Azem crystal as an excuse for the random party members to show up.

Strongly disagree
I think doing the trials with trusts is cool, regardless of who is in the party

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Originally Posted by MeteorShan

Another one who has missed the point. It has nothing to do with how I want to play, if the narrative build up to a Trial with a Trust systems sucks, it sucks and those NPCs have no reason to be there. The issue is not the actual Trust system itself, as a system it works brilliantly although it is pushing the game more towards solo play which is a shame for an mmo.

Regarding your point though, from a narrative perspective if people did prefer to do a Trust system fight for a trial using the Duty Finder instead when going through the MSQ, then it would be nice if Squeenix added the Azem crystal cutscene to summon our 7 fellow peeps via DF. Would be a nice touch imo.

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According to your post title, you want Trust removed completely from trials. That's fairly straightforward. There's no need for anyone to read farther. Either they're going to agree that they should be removed or they won't.

If that is not your point, then you shouldn't have made that your title. Your title should have been something more along the lines of "Please make NPC use in Duty Support flow better with story". That would have engaged those curious in reading farther to better understand what your point is and why you feel that way.

So you're getting the response you deserve for using a click bait title. Don't want Trust in trials? Don't use it. It's optional.