So the Skirmish weapon can be melded.

@Molly

No, not the "enter your stats HERE" thing, I meant the calculated primary/secondary stat caps area. It says Ifrits is 326STR/293VIT? That just doesn't seem right. Also, giants dps is 39.3, it's listed as 39.76.

@Meat

I think Alma meant that in like a 60 second span, Garuda's would pump out as many WS's as a 4.3s delay weapon but like 1 second faster. Or something. So Garuda would do 4 combos in like 50s while Ifrits will do 4 combos in 51s. <_<

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Originally Posted by Rofellos

Hi ^^

I dont understand 2 little things, maybe you can explain them to me :

1) Considering that DPS change the cap for your WS dmg and considering that 0.01 DPS dont always have the same value (i mean the gain is not linear and we dont know what is the WS cap for each weapon), how can you compare weapons ? Have you counted a 350 str / 310 xxx for all weapons ? When i read the sheet, i feel like something is wrong with this part.

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My understanding is that the DPS doesn't cap your WS damage, it caps the benefit of STR and VIT towards weaponskill damage. So after you hit those caps, VIT stops adding damage, and the benefit of STR is reduced to the point where attack power has a greater benefit.

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2) Considering that WS dmg are for most job the primary source of dmg, how can you say that this axe are better than garuda/lt weapons, when they both have a better "WS value" in your own sheet ?

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See above, I believe you have a misunderstanding of how WS damage works in relation to stat caps.

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@Molly

No, not the "enter your stats HERE" thing, I meant the calculated primary/secondary stat caps area. It says Ifrits is 326STR/293VIT? That just doesn't seem right.

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The calculations are not my work, I only filled in the sheet with the weapon data.

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Also, giants dps is 39.3, it's listed as 39.76.

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nice catch, I'll fix that right now.


...actually that just changed a lot. You'd need a serious triple meld of high-end tier IVs to make anything approaching Garuda's scream. /sadface


I guess that best way to go, may just be to slap some touch of rage on one and make a tanking axe. Of course I personally won't use anything less than a double meld for that. IMO, the 'cool factor' of having one of these weapons double or triple melded remains unaffected. lol

saw a Lance that was triple melded with 3 +17 piety for 150 mil would anyone buy that really?

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saw a Lance that was triple melded with 3 +17 piety for 150 mil would anyone buy that really?

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Probably not.

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saw a Lance that was triple melded with 3 +17 piety for 150 mil would anyone buy that really?

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Not for 150 mil. But that weapon would beat the crap out of my current lance, because it would put me a lot closer to the stat caps on LNC. Sadly, I've blown up both skirmish weapons I tried to double meld. I did sell a sword for 3 mil though with a single meld on it.

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@Meat

I think Alma meant that in like a 60 second span, Garuda's would pump out as many WS's as a 4.3s delay weapon but like 1 second faster. Or something. So Garuda would do 4 combos in like 50s while Ifrits will do 4 combos in 51s. <_<

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It's the same amount of TP so it's the same amount of WS.

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Originally Posted by Rau

I'm curious, were the GC weapons tested with Sanction on? Also, it seems that the Garuda weapons are really... lacking across all jobs except WAR.

What's the deal? :(

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GC weapons are assumed to have sanction on if you fill in that stat in the place on the sheet that calls for it (i.e. 45 attack power in the AP column). The weapons values are only calculated with what you've put in for the info.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

My understanding is that the DPS doesn't cap your WS damage, it caps the benefit of STR and VIT towards weaponskill damage. So after you hit those caps, VIT stops adding damage, and the benefit of STR is reduced to the point where attack power has a greater benefit.

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This is correct. In fact the ONLY benefit from STR after the STR cap is from the AP gained from STR - according to every test that we have.

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@Molly

No, not the "enter your stats HERE" thing, I meant the calculated primary/secondary stat caps area. It says Ifrits is 326STR/293VIT? That just doesn't seem right. Also, giants dps is 39.3, it's listed as 39.76.

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The stat caps have not changed - I had to calculate the stat caps as a logarithmic curve of all known stat caps based off of wDPS - since no one knows enough stat caps for there to be an accurate formula or even an accurate curve. My first shot at the logarithmic curve was pretty shoddy to say the least - it should be MUCH closer now to the actual values.

The best way to use the sheet is to download it and manually enter the stat caps if you know them - I had to develop a way for the sheet to be used quickly by the general populace.