Please let SMN keep Resurrection

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Originally Posted by Patesaupesto

I had to stop RDM because people expected me to raise.
YES it CAN save a run, but is it deserved ?
And what if I was BLM ? They would've sh*t up.

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If half the raid is dead and we still manage to save it, who gives a F#### about my rotation? IF you can save a run its deserved. If ppl you kill that primal during its enrage it might not be pretty but its still dead. if you res a healer for his LB 3 and its smooth sailing onwards, its deserved.

If you only care for your numbers game, go play BLM.

Whats up next? Remove RDM melee combo cause its a caster and i dont like having to get into close range? As a RDM you may heal or res, use your shield and if id have a say in it wed have some vercure for debuffs and an HoT.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

If half the raid is dead and we still manage to save it, who gives a F#### about my rotation? IF you can save a run its deserved. If ppl you kill that primal during its enrage it might not be pretty but its still dead. if you res a healer for his LB 3 and its smooth sailing onwards, its deserved.

If you only care for your numbers game, go play BLM.

Whats up next? Remove RDM melee combo cause its a caster and i dont like having to get into close range? As a RDM you may heal or res, use your shield and if id have a say in it wed have some vercure for debuffs and an HoT.

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What about the 2nd half of my post ? Do you agree ?
I won't go BLM because I had fun on RDM, the backflip, the "ok now I can go melee", the "I feel free to move half of the fight allowing me to adjust" ect ect. Not the "Oh no I gotta stop my fun for a raise and hope we can rescue the run"
I don't care about my damage/parse I care about being able to apply the rotation I've been planning, being pixel, that's what I enjoy, I feel good when what I planned is working, it's comfy

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Originally Posted by SarriaKadijah

Today during the PLL they mentioned looking at removing Resurrection for SMN, implied as part of an effort in 8.0 to individualize jobs a little more

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i say take it away. its a crutch at this point. holding smn back from being a really powerful and unique dps. rdm and smn should have them removed so that healers can res and dps can dps. a lot of people dont seam to grasp how important it is to wipe in this game . if i take a smn or rdm into content. i have 4 resses flying around on (dt new timers) 40 second recast timers. this is ridiculous.. come on.. just give all the jobs a res as this point. we need to move AWAY from painfully scripted fights that can rush through prog by constantly hitting monster reborn on the players who just refuse to learn the game. when a healer dies in dead ends and i am not a smn or rdm and there ISNT one. its amazing. because guess what happens. he LEAVES or he LEARNS. the only way we can have this back is by limiting resses. im SORRY that it will make the game harder for you. but if this current idea of the game.. is your idea of fun.. i think you are living in cope. this mind-numbing level of painlessly-painful content will only last dt before it eventually drives everyone away. i am already not looking forward to raiding in DT because of these horrible job changes..

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

If half the raid is dead and we still manage to save it, who gives a F#### about my rotation? IF you can save a run its deserved. If ppl you kill that primal during its enrage it might not be pretty but its still dead. if you res a healer for his LB 3 and its smooth sailing onwards, its deserved.If you only care for your numbers game, go play BLM.

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ull care about ur rotation when you cant make a dps check because of it or it gets you killed on a mechanic. telling people that blm is the only way to do good dps tells me u dont do much in 14 because if you did you would understand the importance of personal responsibility and why ressing through mechanics is just killing the games fun

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Originally Posted by Patesaupesto

I won't go BLM because I had fun on RDM, the backflip, the "ok now I can go melee", the "I feel free to move half of the fight allowing me to adjust" ect ect. Not the "Oh no I gotta stop my fun for a raise and hope we can rescue the run"
I don't care about my damage/parse I care about being able to apply the rotation I've been planning, being pixel, that's what I enjoy, I feel good when what I planned is working, it's comfy

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if i were you id just push my dps and let people sit on there mistakes for a few seconds till the healer swift is up. oh well how sad that they died maybe next time they wont

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Originally Posted by mallleable

IMHO Delete Verraise, and replace it with like Vermedica or Vercure III, lock SMN rez behind phoenix, and then buff healer rezzes to compensate.

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this . verraise is massive mana and time drain and vercure is TRASH. smn having res should be phoenix buff only and already now, u have smn delaying everything around ressing and the game has much more decision making involved

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Originally Posted by GlowClam

In FF14 I mainly play machinist and red mage.

As a red mage, I always have a small healer with me for the party. It's part of the personality of this magical DD.

Especially when a game content is completely new for a group, the red mage can support the healers in reviving and replenishing the players' life bar.

However, this costs the group DPS!

I still miss the ability to give a party member 20% of my MP since ShB.

If Square Enix were to remove revive and heal for the red mage, it would destroy the personality and playstyle of the red mage, which is based on dual-wielding spells, DD, and relieve healing

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The playstyle isnt just the res tho. its so much more. and people simply want the raises removed. if theyre the only thing you can link to rdm identity, and u cant see other ways around this by buffing there heals or a vermedica.. then.. it says everything already. its a raise mage. not a redmage..

Please don't since it helps healers that don't have mp or are lazy never ruins my dps output either it's just a nice skill to have like red mage has one too

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Originally Posted by AngelicDeath

Please don't since it helps healers that don't have mp or are lazy never ruins my dps output either it's just a nice skill to have like red mage has one too

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we shouldn't be helping lazy healers by carrying them through content that they wont take the time to play properly.

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ruins my dps output either

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if you try to play rdm at high level you simply cannot afford to res without dps loss

i don't really care, don't feel any enjoyment in res anyone, and i also rarely res when i play, only res ffew times in emergency situation in savage raid

PS: i feel people feel enjoyment in other dead is weird

I feel like Caster rez should be nerfed, but not out right deleted. It should have a 120 CD or 240 CD, Depending on how harshly you want to nerf it, this would help close the "utility tax" more without fully just removing it.

Another issue rises that, if we were to remove rez you still can't exactly just buff up summoner into Black mage damage (total damage so raid buff contribution included), considering the mobility and ease of use gap is miles above BLM. You could obviously add back some more casts into it's rotation but i don't know how "popular" that would be.

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Originally Posted by SarriaKadijah

Considering I made this thread with the intent of showing my support for KEEPING Resurrection, I obviously completely disagree. Also nothing in the game has a "one use per run" kind of mechanic, so that's not really a viable suggestion. And swift is not necessarily in rotation, and that need changes at different levels - not everyone is going to be doing max level raids or Ultimates or even cares about doing max DPS at every moment. There is a whole lot of game before you even get to that point (not to mention roulettes), and some people never engage with that level of content even if they are at the level cap.

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As a casual, I have to agree here. Not everything in the game has to be tailored to high endgame content. If Raise is that useless to you, then you can remove it from your hotbar and pretend it's not there. If anything, we should be talking about the actual worthless button in SMN's kit /stares at Physick

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I think the reason why its not just a matter of "delete it from your hotbar" is because Raise impacts RDM/SMN's damage quite a bit it's "taxed" in high end raids because of it's usefulness.
People will complain that body checks exist but that's actually in favour of rez as having a extra rez can be a advantage in keeping people up before that body check. ect.

You'd be right though not everything needs to be removed because it's not "useful" in high end raiding, I'm fine with caster rez but i would mind it becoming locked behind a longer cooldown.

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That's true too, but SMN is also the caster with the highest mobility so it get taxed either way (tho I wonder if BLM getting Leyline adjust in DT would affect that).

Like, I get that people don't like to lose dps, but missing a single gcd to save someone isn't the end of the world either. If you told me straight up you're just selfish I'd give you a pass for honesty at least.

PS: general you, not you you.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

As a casual, I have to agree here. Not everything in the game has to be tailored to high endgame content. If Raise is that useless to you, then you can remove it from your hotbar and pretend it's not there. If anything, we should be talking about the actual worthless button in SMN's kit /stares at Physick

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I think the reason why its not just a matter of "delete it from your hotbar" is because Raise impacts RDM/SMN's damage quite a bit it's "taxed" in high end raids because of it's usefulness.
People will complain that body checks exist but that's actually in favour of rez as having a extra rez can be a advantage in keeping people up before that body check. ect.

You'd be right though not everything needs to be removed because it's not "useful" in high end raiding, I'm fine with caster rez but i would mind it becoming locked behind a longer cooldown.

I think a more interesting design choice, would be to remove demi-phoenix in its current form and implement it as a support summon in which resurrect would be tied. While I appreciate the general direction the devs took summoner in Endwalker, the job needs a lot of work still and Dawntrail looks like it did little to improve it.