Arthars: FFXIV should take a few hints from Dragonflight

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Toxic positivity in action !

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Lalafell has been hit with buzz words.

It was not effective.

The game ain't perfect, there's a lot of things I'm very critical of, but I don't constantly spam the forums because I decided to partake on whatever I criticize and then complain because "oh, woe is me, how dare you not taking responsibility for my own choices!"

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I wasn't going to post in this thread as I don't want to encourage a forum of only reacting to content creator vidoes, but I will say this person has made their own opinions on a lot of occasions, and started a lot of discussions about a ton of topics. So despite occasionally being a little peeved with them, I need to be fair there lol.

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Not often, from what I've seen as a fairly regular lurker around here.

And the times I did see them making their own point, it does boil down to them expecting the game to atone for their choice of staying.

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Originally Posted by NekiUno

However, I don't think listening at a streamer for opinions and advice is the best way to go in my humble opinion. You are your own judge when it comes down to opinions or advice and going for somebody who is only there for clicks, views and money is not the best avenue, they might have some good opinions or advice but sometimes they do that for generate more views for their channel.

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For the record, you're being far more civil than I could.

I guess the whole "Acktually, this should be more like WoW" rubbed me the wrong way after being there for 10+ years and only realizing how bad things were over there once I finally took the leap because I'm as slow as a sedated turtle when it comes to realizing things like that.

As I said, there's plenty I'd like to see changed here, but nothing, ever, warrants taking a page from WoW's book, and certainly not when the whole thing can be solved by taking a break.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Toxic positivity in action !

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Toxic Positivity?!?!

https://media.tenor.com/biVuqHS9zigAAAAC/knuckles.gif

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Originally Posted by Midare

For the record, you're being far more civil than I could.

I guess the whole "Acktually, this should be more like WoW" rubbed me the wrong way after being there for 10+ years and only realizing how bad things were over there once I finally took the leap because I'm as slow as a sedated turtle when it comes to realizing things like that.

As I said, there's plenty I'd like to see changed here, but nothing, ever, warrants taking a page from WoW's book, and certainly not when the whole thing can be solved by taking a break.

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Nah, I do respect the streamers and thank them for show FFXIV to the world but for advice or opinions, that would be a Nope! I can understand your feelings about that since I was here from 2005 - 2020. But there is alot of things that need to change and improve but I think they will find their way through it all.

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Originally Posted by NekiUno

Toxic Positivity?!?!

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I guess telling someone to own to the consequences of their choices means I'm defending the game... if one were to jump through several hoops.

Funnily enough, one of the things I do in game for giggles, it's hop through the flaming hoops of the armor from Padaemonium whenever I see someone wearing it (and if they're tall), and even with my experience with such activity, I still don't see the connection.

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Originally Posted by Midare

I guess the whole "Acktually, this should be more like WoW" rubbed me the wrong way after being there for 10+ years and only realizing how bad things were over there once I finally took the leap because I'm as slow as a sedated turtle when it comes to realizing things like that.

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Yeah I played WoW and EQII from their launches till 2014 when I moved here full time and I feel the same. It's fine and rather a healthy idea if MMOs crib notes from each other, mix something up, and make their own version. And I certainly have things from other games I wouldn't mind seeing here. EQII (and EQ before it) had a shared bank system with alts. Do I need to see shared banking exactly? Nope, but some sort of trading system with your alts would be rather nice.

However, sometimes there is the air of "Just take what this game has and bring it here" instead of trying to appreciate what XIV might do differently and why and how that may work better for the playerbase or the design of the game. Especially when something gets proposed for this game that is something that may have made me leave another game. Like when I saw Eureka come out and it had experience loss on death, I thought "Did I time travel and I'm back in 1999 with hell levels and having to get a safety bubble into the next level before I can log for the night?".

mmmhmm

https://media.tenor.com/n4L0WNpragcA...thars-ff14.gif

:rolleyes:

All of these different threads could easily be consolidated into one. It makes a lot of sense to want to discuss what different content creators are saying about the game because, like it or not, they have a voice that impacts players and has a greater chance of influencing the developers as well. But the general page now swimming in Zepla this, MrHappy that... Make one thread, title it "Content Creators on the State of Endwalker" or something like that, and make the initial post just an archive of whatever videos you want to include and update that by editing that post anytime a new video comes out that you want to talk about. Then make a second post that shares your thoughts on whatever, or your sparknotes of each video, and just leave it all there. Let this and the other 17 'content creator said this' threads die so that the rest of general can exist. Whether that thread has any constructive conversation or is just more mudslinging, I don't really care, but keep it all in one spot.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOK46OR9FQ0

Here is a summary of what he said, with very little modification.

• Dragonflight has more replayable content than Endwalker.
• Grinding Mythic+ is boring, but at least it's more meaningful than 14.
• Dragonflight has the best gearing system in any MMO. Every piece of content gives useful gear.
• FF14 gearing system can be made better by simply plucking out any random thought in your head - that's how bad FF14 is.
• Arthars doesn't think the FF14 dev team actually thinks the gearing system is bad. Just because it works, doesn't mean it's good, and people are starting to get impatient.
• For the first time, I don't even bother using ACT and don't care about gearing because it's is so pointless because the DPS checks are such a joke.
• Yoshi P promised 7.0 would feel like you're playing a FF14-2. Arthars expects a lot of changes. If not, then it's going to be very boring for veterans.
• World proggers and many week 1 proggers don't even play the game past week 1 of Savage. The more you play the more you understand that. Some of them just go back to playing WoW classic after week 1.
• They don't care about retaining players for more than one or two expansions. They need to start think about player retention.
• You can't even being burnt out from FF14 because there's nothing to do.
• Eureka is such good replayable content, and got replaced by Criterion. Arthars loves Criterion but thinks it's very very unreplayable because the rewards are bad.
• Criterion is more fun... for those two days, but Eureka has more things to do.
• The choice the game gives you right now is 3 hours a day, 3 days a week, any more time spent in the game is "your fault".
• Why can't we go into deep dungeon as BLU? Developers say the reason is that it's too OP: you create a job that is supposed to be OP but then you don't let it do content that makes it feel OP.

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This is a really good and informative video from Arthars and I agree with a lot of his points regarding FFXIV. It kind of makes me want to try retail wow, but damn has it been a long time since I last played.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd definitely like to see an equivalent to World of Warcraft's trading post and more focus on exploration/puzzles out in the game world. I like exploration and unfortunately FFXIV has always struggled with that. Even to this day, one of the few hidden side quests in FFXIV is something added way back in the days of ARR and involves handing an item to a particular NPC in order to acquire a couple of minions. Which is neat and something I'd like to see much more of.

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XIV's Trading Post is the mogstation, lol /s

Okay, I'd love to see that too, but what kills the Trading Post hype for me is because it's a big FOMO. Yes they said the items would cycle again, but we don't know when. I play WoW very seldom nowadays, just for story updates, and I missed the Blood Troll outfit from the August TP reward because I wasn't subbed, which is a shame. I didn't want to resub just for that... If XIV implemented something like that I'd love it to have a less FOMO-y aspect.

I'd also like to see more exploration, and at the same time, I'd love if the world could get more attention as well. Currently it's just a piece of nice-looking scenery (debatable in some cases) without anything else going on. The fauna is quite static and boring, there's no little things to uncover, or stuff that gets you to not just explore for the sights, but to actually interacting with the matter you're at.

One of the few things that, for me, WoW has done masterfully across the recent expansions, even the bad ones, is worldbuilding in the physical sense. The world just feels alive, you see a well thought collective of wildlife interacting with each other or the environment, and there's plenty of little reasons to be flying around a zone other than just gathering nodes.

What is one of my biggest wants for Dawntrail? (other than the 2min meta changed) Is that Tural gets to be an actual living world.

Whether we liked or disliked the MSQ of Stormblood is another topic, but I truly share Arthars' sentiment that Stormblood had simply the best PvE, both in terms of quantity and quality, and the jobs were at their prime in terms of design.
This is despite the fact that not everything was perfect, such as the sprint consuming TP.

Personally, even though some dislike RNG, I find that RNG elements like the old Astrologian cards, the old Ruin IV for Summoner, etc., added a certain charm to the job, even though it had its drawbacks.
Honestly, I hope that with the Astrologian rework, they will go back a bit and reintroduce the critical/direct hit cards, the arrow, etc., even though some would certainly never want to see that system again.

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Originally Posted by remiff

such as the sprint consuming TP.

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That wasn't a thing in Stormblood. Sprint was changed to its current state in patch 4.0. Not to go after you specifically for saying it, I'm just sick of hearing people say that when it was blatantly not the case. Sprint was fixed with Stormblood.