So the 6.4 PvP FL changes....

Could be wrong, but don't the big ice on side only have 2 ways out?
One team can always be trapped in there with no way out aside from going through an enemy base or through the 3rd enemy that's in the mid pathway, can prob get some great work done once people realize that.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

Could be wrong, but don't the big ice on side only have 2 ways out?
One team can always be trapped in there with no way out aside from going through an enemy base or through the 3rd enemy that's in the mid pathway, can prob get some great work done once people realize that.

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Yes exactly, but either you get lucky and people realize that and fight, or you get a tunnel vision pve alliance who flees despite this big advantage...

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Originally Posted by BaroLlyonesse

Because it's a Draw-In. The better question is why other Draw-In's aren't affected.

The mount change is effective because first, you can't see everywhere all at once, no matter how good you are, and there are people with attacks that make it much, much harder to take advantage of sudden stun/heavy hits on people that are on mounts. It's not a 'git gud' issue as much as you think, unless your FL environment is much less aggressive.

I see we are still ignoring MCH. If nothing else, can we please get rid of the 'you don't interrupt by moving and here's a cast time' issue?

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I think DNC LB nerf was more due the combo potential with other damaging AoE LBs and DRK. The DNC's itself is kinda underwhelming due lasting too little while making the DNC extra exposed to almost being a free BH lol

And as someone who mostly played as MCH before the whole PvP rework, I completely agree.

The new shatter maps feels like it leads more or less to non-pvp games where every team is just racing from one crystal to the next because they spawn so quickly. The increased amount needed to win the match didnt feel necessary. New shatter involves a lot less fighting in my experience so far.

The new shatter isn't a PvP map. It's a PvE map with some open world PvP. Honestly which of the developers made this map, and compared it to the old one and said, yes - This is fun. I enjoyed this, I prefer this lets do this, and also lets make it take as long as borderland ruins because thats what front line players want.

Yeh, I try to get people to fight on it, but they just run from ice to ice, this rework is a massive failure, previous shatter was way better.

The walls in mid are dumb aswell, makes it way to easy to hide behind if you take damage and just heal up.

It's sad that the more of these threads I read the happier I am that I haven't touched FL since patch.

people seem to actually take damage and die now in frontlines. what a patch!

If they did a system of fewer ice and made them worth more/reduce the points to win, it would better encourage people to get around ice and fight the territory before the spawn. Which makes me feel: I like the layout of the new one more, but the scoring and objective tremendously less.

Other map changes are a little clumsy. They lowered points to win to make matches faster, but objective timings are a little off, and now the amount of time you spend in transition feels more annoying when the total match time is shorter, since it means you spend more of your time moving around. With smaller maps and different objective timings/layouts, this could work, but as it is the changes feel incomplete.