Are there any plans to fix the 'Haurchefant' localization?

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Originally Posted by Telkira

I think Western audiences would learn a lot more from simply accepting these facets within fictional media and treating it the same way that Japanese audiences do, as mere jokes. Any time content is cut or deviations are made in this manner, it should be looked down upon out of respect for the medium itself, otherwise you wind up with stuff like the "4-Kids" localization of One Piece.

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stop trying to force japanese values on the world. let the world be itself. you want japanese values. go live in japan, go on those forums. enjoy it. otherwise just stop. you make yourself very stupid being a one note andy of wanting to force tropes on the west because you deem it so and have a hard on for wanting og haurchefant. had they wanted to roll back haurchefant to og. they would have after the apology but didn't. was a good business move to be honest. made him a popular character. if he was og..he probably would have been hated.

also, the community sexualized lalafell. no company adds a race and expects it to be sexualized. seriously dumb thought process there.

now i await your one note andy reply

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Originally Posted by Telkira

The apologized because they recognized that they explicitly did the wrong thing.

Your failure to look beyond your discomfort with the concept and appreciate it for what it is - a joke in a video game - is a problem with Western purity culture, whereby you can't even view the subject matter in proper perspective. These tropes exist for a reason and are funny/entertaining to the origin market, in addition to those who would derive entertainment value in a foreign market.
I don't think that accommodating people's discomfort in this regard is good, it has caused people like you to take that discomfort and create a cultural shift wherein you are unintentionally attempting to police Japanese media.

I'm very thankful that John Crow wrote that post and acknowledged the mistake for what it is - a mistake. You may not view it as one, but it was an egregious deviation from their very own philosophy and was done without due consideration or consultation of the relevant parties, and it DID have an effect with how the Western audience engages with this. You can feel free to appreciate this rendition of the character, but the changes made to him affected more than people wanting to see dirty jokes.

I mean it when I say this. People who applaud these types of revisions shouldn't be consuming anime. It's not for them. They're better off relegating themselves to Western media since they don't like having certain ideals be challenged. I could expand further on how FFXIV is problematic in more ways (namely the way Square Enix sexualizes Lalafell), and people like you will shriek about it, stomp your feet, and ultimately ignore it, just like you would with Haurchefant.

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The "wrong" thing was not consulting with higher ups because companies are authoritarian. That's what he apologized for. This was his plan going forward:

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We share our thoughts with our scenario team counterparts, raising concerns and working through problematic issues together. If we strongly believe that a significant deviation is warranted, we consult with the team leads beforehand, and then we do our utmost to minimize the complications.

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It's so funny how you are trying to paint me as puritarian. I'm not, I'm really not. I'm simply glad we got a better version of him. A character I'm quite fond of.

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People who applaud these types of revisions shouldn't be consuming anime.

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A) Who asked?
B) How is this relevant to the topic? Is FF14 an anime now? I thought it was a final fantasy MMO.

maybe he thinking of the anime movies for ff7

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Originally Posted by Telkira

People who applaud these types of revisions shouldn't be consuming anime.

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And here you'll see an Elitist Weeb. They aren't an endangered species, unfortunately, but we keep one here at the park because it's amusing.

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Originally Posted by Reimar

And here you'll see an Elitist Weeb. They aren't an endangered species, unfortunately, but we keep one here at the park because it's amusing.

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Yep here is the actual true definition of a weeb, not what the community at large has diluted it to. I wasn't quite sure at first what OP's angle was but now I see they're acting like a strawman weeb to rile people up for laughs. At least I hope it's an act, have to assume the best at first.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

The "wrong" thing was not consulting with higher ups because companies are authoritarian. That's what he apologized for. This was his plan going forward:


It's so funny how you are trying to paint me as puritarian. I'm not, I'm really not. I'm simply glad we got a better version of him. A character I'm quite fond of.



A) Who asked?
B) How is this relevant to the topic? Is FF14 an anime now? I thought it was a final fantasy MMO.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...sions-of-FFXIV

No.

The 'wrong' thing was not only that, but also making the changes to begin with, which is something he explicitly apologized for. You're deliberately cherry-picking, and in that quote, he's simply referring to processes. Yes, it's implied somewhat that he believed that the change was warranted to avert controversy, but he would admit that the change itself was wrong.

When videos illustrating the differences between the JP and the EN/FR/DE cutscenes were posted online, some fans spoke out in protest. After internal discussion, it was decided that efforts would be made by the EN, FR, and DE LOC teams to bring Haurchefant's characterization gradually closer to that of the JP Haurchefant over the course of future updates. Moreover, the development team enacted a new policy that all cutscenes would be fundamentally the same, so that users across all regions would have more similar experiences.

However, as Yoshi-P stated, these decisions were made without consulting with the relevant parties, which resulted in a growing discrepancy that would culminate with patch 2.3's cutscenes.

As the individual who pushed for these changes, I would like to sincerely apologize to our fans, as well as Yoshi-P and our scenario team. It was never my intention to deprive our players of a memorable character or elaborate cutscenes, and to this day I deeply regret how I handled this situation.

He flat out admits that he deprived us of a "memorable character" by watering him down. The error is very clearly more than just the fact that it was a deviation from their normal processes, but also because the modification itself should not have been made. Inconsistencies of this nature in particular rise to the level of censorship, rather than mere localization.
He flat out states that his decision to push for the change was wrong, both in the sense that it was a deviation from procedure and that the change wasn't wrong to begin with, otherwise they wouldn't have made the decision to "make him closer to how he is supposed to be written.

He requests to make you his "personal steed" in the ENG script...

Also, the better version is, and will always be, the original version, the real version, i.e. the version we got in the JP translation.

At this point you're either trolling or simply not budging, and I don't think there is much point in continuing to debate.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

stop trying to force japanese values on the world. let the world be itself. you want japanese values. go live in japan, go on those forums. enjoy it. otherwise just stop. you make yourself very stupid being a one note andy of wanting to force tropes on the west because you deem it so and have a hard on for wanting og haurchefant. had they wanted to roll back haurchefant to og. they would have after the apology but didn't. was a good business move to be honest. made him a popular character. if he was og..he probably would have been hated.

also, the community sexualized lalafell. no company adds a race and expects it to be sexualized. seriously dumb thought process there.

now i await your one note andy reply

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I'm being hit with limits since I don't use the forum much, but nice to see how you're revising your own posts because you know how wrong you are.

And yes, the game does sexualize them. You can find M'iqote prostitute NPC's, plus Lalafell prostitute NPCs, in addition to suggestive outfits, dialog, etc. I don't see how you could be so patently wrong about that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

At this point you're either trolling or simply not budging, and I don't think there is much point in continuing to debate.

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i chalk it up to being bull headed and not budging. has totally ignored me because has no actual way to fight back. so picks easy to fight stuff.

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Originally Posted by Telkira

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I'm being hit with limits since I don't use the forum much, but nice to see how you're revising your own posts because you know how wrong you are.

And yes, the game does sexualize them. You can find M'iqote prostitute NPC's, plus Lalafell prostitute NPCs, in addition to suggestive outfits, dialog, etc. I don't see how you could be so patently wrong about that.

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no. i just tend to rewrite stuff but good try on accusing me of being wrong. im frankly not the idiot here. here is what is going on. YOU want to force jp values on the whole world because you are horny to see og haurchefant. Which, as i stated, they could have easily done once the apology was made but again....they didn't do it. the current version is just fine. I am also well aware of the court kitty used in one fate in costa del sol. didn't know a lala one existed but cool must have come and exited my mind because its a npc. Laughably your argument was for lalafell...not miqo or any other race. I literally can point to npcs in varying places that are dressed lewd...doesn't mean thats their intent does it.

Again...THE COMMUNITY SEXUALIZED LALAFELL. like are you genuinely this stupid or just a bored troll? You have no actual argument that you have presented to any of us. just your overall opinion that people seem to not like and you seem to somehow take offense to that and use anything you can find to push your pov. it won't work. give it up. this idea will never happen. this conversation is long since over.